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#1 2003-01-22 9:30 pm
Food for thought.
I'm a PC user who WANTS to switch to mac. But geeZ! I just can't sleep at night knowing the difference. Someone please help. I compared two systems.
Powermac G4 Dual 1.25
167FSB
1 gig PC2700 ram
120gig HD
Super drive
nVidia GF4
OSX
$3999.00
VS.
Voodoo PC
550 Watt power supply
Athlon XP 2800
333 FSB
1 gig PC3200 ram
2X 200 gig HD (WD 8 meg Cache)
Sony DVD+RW
Soundblaster Audigy
All-in-wonder Radeon 9700 128meg
Win XP Pro
$3314.95
Why is Apple so rediculously over priced? And don't B.S. me with the BMW vs Fixed up Mustang metaphors. I mean, seriously. I'm not trying to troll, but I want answers. The Dual processor Mac is sooo outgunned by the single proc Athlon. And on top of a $600 price difference, a 280 GIG difference as well?!? If apple is so hell-bent on all this switching garbage why don't they make their computer either more competively priced or upgrade the hardware to compete? Hey. Don't get me wrong, I think apple software is very elegant and well designed, but is it REALLY that much better? Seriously. Win XP isn't the best, but it's by far, the best OS ever created by windows.
Is it possible that the paradigm is shifting? Perhaps PCs will become what Mac's used to be, and Apple will lose more market share until it is a rarity used by only a few stubborn content producing professionals.
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#3 2003-01-22 10:59 pm
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Re: Food for thought.
Most of the MacAddicts here are in favour of Mac OS 10 because of 1) stability 2) elegance and 3) some nice apps such as iTunes, iPhoto.
Regarding stability: how much would you pay to have a stable operating system ? If your current system is okay, great. One line I have read: Windows users are grateful their computer didn't crash when a new program or new printer is installed.
(MacAddicts don't feel that way --- I download 2-3 programs per day from versiontracker.com).
Regarding stability of Mac OS 9 and 10. I used to go into OS 9's extensions manager trying to get speed and stability. Now, OS 10 is stable, I save an hour per day not mucking around in the system innards.
You didn't list what your primary software areas are, tho. Gamer ? Photoshop ? Surfing ? :?: Ah, forgot one thing -- anti-Microsoft, I am.
Try it and see. And, as I said in another thread, I spent about $ 1800 over 2 years for both hardware and software. It does the job for me. 200 Gigabytes of hard disk would be wasted on me. There's no need to fill up 200 GB if there's no content. Fortunately -- as you said ->> there are these hardcore Mac programmers and users right here.
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#4 2003-01-22 11:01 pm
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Re: Food for thought.
i don't want you to own a mac
Yeah, well I win because I don't want him to own a computer at all.
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#6 2003-01-23 7:54 am
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Re: Food for thought.
...Why is Apple so rediculously over priced? And don't B.S. me with the BMW vs Fixed up Mustang metaphors.
Apple is rediculously over priced because they were diculously priced once before, and now they are again.
If you don't want to hear metaphors and explainations then:
Dude, you're getting a Dell, off you go.
Have a nice day.
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#7 2003-01-23 8:02 am
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Re: Food for thought.
My parents have a new Dell - one month old. Somehow it stopped allowing anyone to get on the internet.
So I had to reinstall everything. Of course, Dell doesn't give you the necessary info to reinstall everything - just windows. Here's a desktop for you: the Recycle Bin. Yep, that was all that was on there.
After spending 3 hours on the phone with Tech Support bitching that this piece of junk didn't work, everything is back on, but it still can't on the internet.
1 Month old machine. Never did anything but go online. That's what I call reliability!!!
All this to save $200 over an iMac. So yeah, Apple's have a bigger initial cost than PCs. But, in the long run, I want my machine to last more than 1 month.
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#8 2003-01-23 8:59 am
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Re: Food for thought.
Geez, why are you people being such smurfs? I think the questions about the price of macs vs. performance are well worth asking. And before you start flaming me, I've been using Macs since 1986, and still do.
Windows XP isn't a bad OS at all. I use it on my Dell laptop that my work provided, and compared to earlier versions of Windows it's really nice. I've always hated using Windows, but I don't hate XP, even if I still prefer my Macs.
When people come here with legitimate complaints and questions about Mac ownership and you all act like smurfing dickwads, you make the Mac and its owners look bad.
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#9 2003-01-23 9:01 am
Re: Food for thought.
Why is Apple so rediculously over priced?...
Dude, its a Mac. I would rather have an iMac than that PC u write about.
What do you see in that computer anyway ? And hell, buy cheaper Mac if you cant afford high end model.
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#10 2003-01-23 9:24 am
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Re: Food for thought.
Geez, why are you people being such smurfs? I think the questions about the price of macs vs. performance are well worth asking. And before you start flaming me, I've been using Macs since 1986, and still do.
Windows XP isn't a bad OS at all. I use it on my Dell laptop that my work provided, and compared to earlier versions of Windows it's really nice. I've always hated using Windows, but I don't hate XP, even if I still prefer my Macs.
When people come here with legitimate complaints and questions about Mac ownership and you all act like wash your mouth foo dickwads, you make the Mac and its owners look bad.
Then why don't you field an answer to this gentleman who clearly stated that he doesn't want to hear a metaphorical answer instead of chastizing us?
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#12 2003-01-23 9:35 am
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Re: Food for thought.
The question of price/performance/value ought to be showing up more, if only due to the alleged success of the switch campaign. There really should be quite a few PC users asking themselves and others "why buy a Mac?" The answer invariably comes down to the performance of the OS and the integrated software. That pretty much accounts for much of the price difference. Particularly for computers in the same 'class' as a Mac.
But in short, macs don't crash, they don't experience driver conflicts, they always connect to the internet, they never need a system re-install to solve problems, they just work.
And stop spelling ridiculous with an 'e'.
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#13 2003-01-23 9:57 am
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Re: Food for thought.
Then why don't you field an answer to this gentleman who clearly stated that he doesn't want to hear a metaphorical answer instead of chastizing us?
edited for atrocious grammar
Because I don't have a good answer. I think ultimately you buy a Mac because you want a Mac. I don't personally know anyone who has switched from Windows, although I know several people who have switched from Linux.
XP is fine. I don't have any problems with it. I like OSX better, but that's a personal preference.
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#14 2003-01-23 10:37 am
Re: Food for thought.
Geez, why are you people being such smurfs? I think the questions about the price of macs vs. performance are well worth asking. And before you start flaming me, I've been using Macs since 1986, and still do.
Maybe it's because there have been so many threads just like this one that we're tired of people not using the search function?
We can only give you what we think you said you thought you wanted...
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#16 2003-01-23 8:07 pm
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Re: Food for thought.
Rick,
I was right there with you three months ago. Boy did I lose a lot of sleep the week before I bought my mac worrying that I was about to throw $3,700 away.
If apple is so hell-bent on all this switching garbage why don't they make their computer either more competively priced or upgrade the hardware to compete?
They are selling value, and have priced their machine in proportion to that value. The value of the machine to the consumers is simply not correlated to the mhz rating. That alone should tell you something. These machines go beyond the mhz rating and the benchmarks and deliver something that is very difficult to acheive, not just in computers, but in any consumer product - the users of these machines fall head over heals in love with them. It happens to everyone for a different reason, maybe OSX, maybe the ease of use, maybe the elegant software, or elegant design of the computer, etc., etc. My bet is that if you get one, you will also fall in love for one reason or another. This is common with Mac and is a rarity with PC's (I hated my PC most days).
Don't get me wrong, I think apple software is very elegant and well designed, but is it REALLY that much better?
Yes. I don't know what you applications are, but go to an applestore or a CompUSA and try one out. You will not believe it. The stuff that is built into these machines is better than what you might get with a PC if you spent another $1000 on software.
For me, it is video archiving and editing and managing and playing my 10,000 MP3's. I about fell over backwards at CompUSA when I first used iTunes and iMovie. I thought - finally I have found a simple, yet powerful system that will do what I want with ease. I love my Mac.
3 Months after my purchase, I can look back on that week with no sleep last October and know that I made the right decision to spend a little more, for what seems a little less. Great reward requires risk. You perceive an Apple purchase as a risk right now, and I don't blame you. I was there. But there is a good chance that this risk will reap great reward. I love my G4 867 DP so much, that at night, I unplug all the cords and take it up to bed with me and snuggle with it all night long.
Good luck with you decision, and don't lose too much sleep!!

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#17 2003-01-24 10:09 pm
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Re: Food for thought.
Initial cost of a Mac is more, but the cost of ownership is cheaper.
http://ren.netconnect.com.au/~moo/mac/cost.html
http://138.202.192.14/~trembath/smon/tco.html
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#18 2003-01-27 11:17 pm
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Re: Food for thought.
Well said Czachorski, it takes a switcher to answer Ricks question, Kudos to Czachorski. 
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#19 2003-01-28 12:55 am
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Re: Food for thought.
Apparently the "food" in the phrase 'food for thought' is spam. The favourite food of trolls.
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#20 2003-01-30 8:38 pm
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Re: Food for thought.
I'm a Mac user who WANTS to believe rickwhite is genuine. But geeZ! I just can't sleep at night knowing it's been over a week since his first post. Someone please help. I compared two systems. The system of asking for help and responding graciously vs. the system of trying to stir up discontent like an Iraqi operative sent from Canada to fund American anti-war rallies...
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