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XYZ · 2003-01-23 2:15 pm

Activist: Ban gay-shooting game

Thursday, January 23, 2003 Posted: 12:36 PM EST (1736 GMT)

AMSTERDAM, Holland (Reuters) -- A Dutch gay activist is fighting to outlaw the import of a U.S. computer game in which the player can shoot homosexuals, junkies, dogs and cats.

Henk Krol, editor of the leading Dutch gay newspaper, has asked prosecutors to start court proceedings and is lobbying parliamentarians to outlaw the game, called "Postal 2."

"It is disgusting. In the Netherlands we have anti-discrimination laws to protect people from discrimination based on sexual preference and that makes it easier to do something," Krol said on Thursday.

Postal 2, produced by Arizona-based Running with Scissors, is due to become available in the Netherlands in late March.

Vince Desi, who runs Running with Scissors, said the game did not discriminate against homosexuals.

"It's definitely not anti-gay. You know what? It's a game -- get over it," Desi said.

Desi said the player can shoot gay people but does not have to do so, and does not win any points for shooting anyone.

"In the game, the player plays the role of a character called The Postal Dude. He lives in a town where there are all kinds of people, white, black, skinny, fat, straight and gay. You can play the game in a passive role without killing anyone," Desi said.

"We are not political," he added.

Postal 2 is a new version of the firm's earlier game "Postal." That game has been banned in Australia, but Krol said it was widely sold in Dutch toy stores.

The target of that game was to eliminate hostile elements and unarmed civilians in city streets, parks and suburbs using a variety of weapons. The player could exit the game by "committing suicide."

Krol says he is not certain the authorities will be able to prevent Dutch residents from buying the game from the company's Web site, but hopes his campaign to prevent it being sold in toy stores will make buyers aware of the game's content.

"A lot of these games are being bought by parents and grandparents and one of our goals is to get people to understand what they are buying," Krol said.

Desi said he did not believe a ban on selling the game in the Netherlands would apply to Internet sales.

"I don't think anything would prevent people from buying it on the Internet," he said.

Mustapha Mond · 2003-01-23 2:26 pm

If I'm reading this right, and the game has equal opportunity killing, then banning it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Alpha Moonbase · 2003-01-23 2:29 pm

I guess it's acceptable to only target straight white males.

So does Postal Guy

Slade · 2003-01-23 2:32 pm

Hmmmmm....... and if my memory serves, you can also use a cat as a silencer in the game...

it's not like this game is even trying to be politically correct. How about this... don't buy it! Your tax dollars aren't subsidizing the game or anything.

Egress · 2003-01-23 2:34 pm

Much ado about nothing.

tievsky2 · 2003-01-23 2:37 pm

I played the demo for the original Postal, several years ago. Fun, very violent, silly.

nzilla · 2003-01-23 8:52 pm

XYZ, come on! mad

primenumber · 2003-01-23 8:55 pm

Where exactly is the bigotry? It sounds like there is an equal opportunity to gun down anyone you want.

ShnickyShnack · 2003-01-23 9:11 pm

All this is gonna do is send sales of the game through the roof. It's happened every time someone has raised a ruckus about a video game, starting with Pac-Man. Hell, earlier -- all the way back to the days of bing-bong pinball machines.

I guess people will simply never learn ...

Steyr AUG · 2003-01-23 9:12 pm

All this is gonna do is send sales of the game through the roof. It's happened every time someone has raised a ruckus about a video game, starting with Pac-Man. Hell, earlier -- all the way back to the days of bing-bong pinball machines.

I guess people will simply never learn ...

Still think XYZ point was well thought out?

Shlo · 2003-01-23 9:19 pm

XYZ, do you discuss/think about/have an opinion about anything not relating to mistreated and misunderstood homosexuals, how the republican conspiracy is out to get you and other similar ideas?

registered_user · 2003-01-23 9:43 pm

Did you guys actually read any of XYZ's opinions? All I saw was a copy / paste news article. And I think the activist is just hyper-sensitive and over reacting to something stupid.

ShnickyShnack · 2003-01-23 9:45 pm

Did you guys actually read any of XYZ's opinions? All I saw was a copy / paste news article. And I think the activist is just hyper-sensitive and over reacting to something stupid.

I'd have to agree. Maybe there's some history here I'm not aware of.

Steyr AUG · 2003-01-23 9:49 pm

Did you guys actually read any of XYZ's opinions? All I saw was a copy / paste news article. And I think the activist is just hyper-sensitive and over reacting to something stupid.
I'd have to agree. Maybe there's some history here I'm not aware of.

He/she likes to post gay threads.

registered_user · 2003-01-23 9:56 pm

Did you guys actually read any of XYZ's opinions? All I saw was a copy / paste news article. And I think the activist is just hyper-sensitive and over reacting to something stupid.
I'd have to agree. Maybe there's some history here I'm not aware of.
He/she likes to post gay threads.

I wasn't thinking he/she really as much as they.

Steyr AUG · 2003-01-23 9:57 pm

Did you guys actually read any of XYZ's opinions? All I saw was a copy / paste news article. And I think the activist is just hyper-sensitive and over reacting to something stupid.
I'd have to agree. Maybe there's some history here I'm not aware of.
He/she likes to post gay threads.
I wasn't thinking he/she really as much as they.

You refering to his alter-ego ronald regan?

bratboy · 2003-01-23 9:59 pm

He/she likes to post gay threads.

You pretty much proclaimed yourself a 'homophobe' in another thread.

Do you know what that word means?

Steyr AUG · 2003-01-23 10:02 pm

He/she likes to post gay threads.
You pretty much proclaimed yourself a 'homophobe' in another thread.

Do you know what that word means?

Ask rainbowz(a homosexual) what he thinks of me and then get back to me. You dont know the whole story and I dont have time to explain it.

bratboy · 2003-01-23 10:15 pm

Ask rainbowz(a homosexual) what he thinks of me and then get back to me. You dont know the whole story and I dont have time to explain it.

I asked you whether or not you considered yourself a 'homophobe,' as you stated in another discussion we were having. It's a simple question.

I thought I'd give you the benefit of the doubt...thinking that maybe you weren't aware of what the word meant or of how such people are usually grouped with bigots and racists by those who possess some bit of intelligence.

Steyr AUG · 2003-01-23 11:51 pm

Ask rainbowz(a homosexual) what he thinks of me and then get back to me. You dont know the whole story and I dont have time to explain it.
I asked you whether or not you considered yourself a 'homophobe,' as you stated in another discussion we were having. It's a simple question.

I thought I'd give you the benefit of the doubt...thinking that maybe you weren't aware of what the word meant or of how such people are usually grouped with bigots and racists by those who possess some bit of intelligence.

My signature should explain it perfectly to you.

bratboy · 2003-01-24 12:04 am

My signature should explain it perfectly to you.

I'm an idiot please spell it out for me.

I've been up for almost 48 hours with only one hour of sleep...cut me a little slack (or send me a PM if you don't want to post here).

Steyr AUG · 2003-01-24 12:06 am

My signature should explain it perfectly to you.
I'm an idiot please spell it out for me.

I've been up for almost 48 hours with only one hour of sleep...cut me a little slack (or send me a PM if you don't want to post here).

Thats ok, I understand what lack of sleep can do.

Basically I can deal with homosexuals just fine I just dont approve/like what they do in their personal time. (I dont hate the person, I hate what they do)

bratboy · 2003-01-24 12:15 am

Basically I can deal with homosexuals just fine I just dont approve/like what they do in their personal time. (I dont hate the person, I hate what they do)

No one is asking you to embrace homosexual sex. What makes you 'hate' what they do? Are you a Christian who believes God thinks it is wrong?

Steyr AUG · 2003-01-24 12:16 am

Basically I can deal with homosexuals just fine I just dont approve/like what they do in their personal time. (I dont hate the person, I hate what they do)
No one is asking you to embrace homosexual sex. What makes you 'hate' what they do? Are you a Christian who believes God thinks it is wrong?

I believe I think it is wrong. Thats good enough for me.

Steyr AUG · 2003-01-24 12:17 am

And some of the programs homosexual groups have on campus are trying to make people embrace it.

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