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#26 2005-03-12 7:39 am

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Re: Donnie Darko

G5Addict wrote:

Oh, I do.  I just avoid all the bad ones.  And believe me, there are a lot of bad movies out there.  Hollywood feeds you exactly what you want (don't deny it)... but that doesn't mean it's "good."  But hey, don't let me stop you... they're making millions of dollars off of you.  It's an industry designed to give you exactly what you want... you don't even have to think.  Just fork over your money.  What could be better?  Once you realize that the emperor has no clothes, it's hard to keep believing that it does.

Well, Mr. Ebert, why don't you rattle off a few movies that you approve of?


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#27 2005-03-12 8:32 am

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Re: Donnie Darko

G5Addict wrote:

Oh, I do.  I just avoid all the bad ones.  And believe me, there are a lot of bad movies out there.  Hollywood feeds you exactly what you want (don't deny it)... but that doesn't mean it's "good."  But hey, don't let me stop you... they're making millions of dollars off of you.  It's an industry designed to give you exactly what you want... you don't even have to think.  Just fork over your money.  What could be better?  Once you realize that the emperor has no clothes, it's hard to keep believing that it does.

That's right, I'm just some poor schmoe who's being tricked by clever old hollywood into loving everything they do. Christ, if only there was a worldy old soul that could point out to me the error of my ways, maybe put me on the path of the learned and intelligent. That'd rock.

...but seriously, what's the difference between enjoying something and something being good? Tell me, exactly?

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#28 2005-03-12 11:12 am

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Re: Donnie Darko

So what happened in the end?

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#29 2005-03-12 1:23 pm

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Re: Donnie Darko

Mac OS XI wrote:

Not deep but very good. Unlike G5Addict ([cough]some people[/cough]) I don't object to films that aren't black and white and shot by a blind Bosnian.

That's the problem... the movie IS black and white.  If you don't realize just how black & white the movie is, then you've been watching TV too long.  It (like most hollywood films and TV programs) are one dimensional.  They are little more than a roller coaster ride.  Nothing more.  A shallow superficial experience.  But if you want the real thing, why not just go to an amusement park?  At least a roller coaster ride is real.

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#30 2005-03-12 1:45 pm

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Re: Donnie Darko

that's right, I'm just some poor schmoe who's being tricked by clever old hollywood into loving everything they do. Christ, if only there was a worldy old soul that could point out to me the error of my ways, maybe put me on the path of the learned and intelligent. That'd rock.

...but seriously, what's the difference between enjoying something and something being good? Tell me, exactly?

The difference is when you truely enjoy something, it has made an impact on your life.  When something is really good, you are affected by it and changed for the better.  Just think about the experiences (no matter how small) in life that have meant something to you.  The results are always the same.  Hollywood movies do not do this... but their magic lies in the fact that they make you think that they do.  You are being fooled (you know it deep down inside) but like it.  Do you like being fooled by peolple in life?  Of course not.  Then why allow Hollywood to do it to you?

The bottom line is that Hollywood is a business.  It makes movies for the lowest common denominator, so as to receive the greatest amount of revenue in return.  The goal of Hollywood is to make "the blockbuster."  To them, that is all that matters.  And the movies that appeal to the greatest number of people are infantile one dimensional structures with fictional plots and involve superficial characters.  And you walk out of a movie just like you do when you exit a roller coaster ride, thrilled but empty inside.  Hollywood took your money and gave you nothing but a superficial expereince in return.

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#31 2005-03-12 1:46 pm

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Re: Donnie Darko

F041 wrote:

So what happened in the end?

Nothing important.  Go on about your business... nothing to see here.

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#32 2005-03-12 1:48 pm

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Re: Donnie Darko

If you like Donnie Darko, then you will also like "The ButterflyEffect" Same thing really. I enjoyed the movies, but I would not make it into a cult. The ButterflyEffect was more interesting and expanded on the theme.

Eve


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#33 2005-03-12 1:51 pm

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Re: Donnie Darko

Evesapple wrote:

If you like Donnie Darko, then you will also like "The ButterflyEffect" Same thing really. I enjoyed the movies, but I would not make it into a cult. The ButterflyEffect was more interesting and expanded on the theme.

Eve

And yet another horrible movie.  You guys are killing me.  What do you mean "same thing really?"  Every Hollywood movie is the same thing.  If you can't see how the plot is going to develop 10 minutes into any hollywood movie, then you are really dense.

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#34 2005-03-12 2:11 pm

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Re: Donnie Darko

If you liked Donnie Darko you will like "The ButterflyEffect" The same thing really. The ButterflyEffect expands on the theme more. I enjoyed the movies but I would not make a cult after them.

Hey, my first posting that same thing did not take, whats up?

Eve


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#35 2005-03-12 2:15 pm

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Re: Donnie Darko

Oh there it is???

I agree with you G5Addict, they are getting boring! If can figure out the plot in the first five minutes I won't watch it. G5Addict let people enjoy what they will, don't give yourself a heart attack.

Eve


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#36 2005-03-12 3:34 pm

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Re: Donnie Darko

G5Addict wrote:

Hollywood took your money and gave you nothing but a superficial expereince in return.

gee, shocking that/  i should prolly also stop reading books and return to nature.

lol


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#37 2005-03-12 3:50 pm

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Re: Donnie Darko

more or less wrote:

G5Addict wrote:

Hollywood took your money and gave you nothing but a superficial expereince in return.

gee, shocking that/  i should prolly also stop reading books and return to nature.

lol

Yeah, that's it.  Maybe you should, cause it sounds like they took your brain too.

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#38 2005-03-12 4:11 pm

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Re: Donnie Darko

you can hear me!


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#39 2005-03-12 5:53 pm

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Re: Donnie Darko

G5 addict... No offense, but those posts sound like the ignorant ramblings of an undergrad film student.

You can bitch and moan all you want, but the film was quite successful. Moreover, it achieved this success by entertaining an audience with an immersive story and characters , not through a PR campaign.

The difference is when you truely enjoy something, it has made an impact on your life.  When something is really good, you are affected by it and changed for the better.

The bottom line is that Hollywood is a business.  It makes movies for the lowest common denominator, so as to receive the greatest amount of revenue in return.

Although a paycheck helps, most directors and writers make films because they enjoy telling entertaining stories. That's it. People like to tell entertaining stories, and people like to listen to entertaining stories. This has been happening for thousands of years. You can smurf all over that if you wish... but it only makes you look like an ass. 

Of course, there are a number of producer pushed hollywood turds. But considering Donnie Darko's lack of Will Smith or a giant mechanical spider, it doesn't really fit into that category.

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#40 2005-03-12 6:26 pm

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Re: Donnie Darko

Aqua OS X wrote:

Of course, there are a number of producer pushed hollywood turds. But considering Donnie Darko's lack of Will Smith or a giant mechanical spider, it doesn't really fit into that category.

And they laugh their asses off all the way to the bank.  They shovel the crud your way and you just eat it up.  Yum Yum.  Taste good, huh?

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#41 2005-03-12 6:30 pm

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Re: Donnie Darko

I'm just sorry very few people take film seriously or have the ability to look at something in a critical way.  THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES... if you don't want to hear it... throw me out of the kingdom!  And then you can go on pretending that Hollywood does.

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#42 2005-03-12 7:10 pm

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Re: Donnie Darko

Donnie Darko actually did kinda badly at the box office. If it weren't for MAFers ranting about it, I would have never seen it.

When something is really good, you are affected by it and changed for the better. ...
Hollywood movies do not do this... but their magic lies in the fact that they make you think that they do.

Huh? When I like a movie, I don't think it changed my life. I don't expect movies to change my life, and I don't look for life-changing meanings in movies. I can't actually think of any single event of experience that has changed my life.

And just because you can see where a movie is going early on (it almost should be like this for a good movie, if you have some background info on what the movie is about, otherwise it would mean it makes no sense at all) doesn't mean you can't like it or enjoy it.

If you are disappointed because movies don't change your life, you are either looking at movies wrongly, or looking at the wrong movies.


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#43 2005-03-12 7:51 pm

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Re: Donnie Darko

mo' ron wrote:

When something is really good, you are affected by it and changed for the better. ...
Hollywood movies do not do this... but their magic lies in the fact that they make you think that they do.

Huh? When I like a movie, I don't think it changed my life. I don't expect movies to change my life, and I don't look for life-changing meanings in movies. I can't actually think of any single event of experience that has changed my life.

Hmmmm, interesting.  So, you are the same person since you were born?  Have never changed?  You've never read a book, seen a movie, looked at a sculpture or painting, admired some architecture that has had an impact on your life?  What a sad existence you must have.  Nothing inspires you.  Then sorry for waking you, now you can go back to sleep.

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#44 2005-03-12 8:21 pm

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Re: Donnie Darko

I'd say more of his changes come from life experiences rather than movies. Tell us, o learned one, what films and art have changed your life, and how did they do so? Try to dumb it down a little for the more plebeian among us.

What's wrong with a roller coaster ride? They're exciting and fun, and once they're over you can go on them again, or walk away from them and forget them. Or are you afraid of hurling your guts up? Why ought all film require we walk away a changed person?

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#45 2005-03-12 8:27 pm

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Re: Donnie Darko

benightedbastard wrote:

What's wrong with a roller coaster ride? They're exciting and fun, and once they're over you can go on them again, or walk away from them and forget them. Or are you afraid of hurling your guts up? Why ought all film require we walk away a changed person?

There is nothing wrong with a roller coaster ride.  I love them too.  But when I want an exciting ride, I go to an amusement park... not the movies.  If you want to experience the real thing in life, go to the source.  Don't settle for some cheap imitation.  Warning: If you look behind the curtain a little in life, you might not always like what you see.  Hoolywood doesn't want to upset you... so they show exactly what you want to see (and provide you with a conterfeit expereince in the process).  Enjoy (Oppps, you already are).  Nevermind.

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#46 2005-03-12 8:29 pm

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Re: Donnie Darko

Someone lent Donnie Darko to me a few months ago, I still haven't bothered watching it. Maybe I will now. Thanks, G5Addict!

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#47 2005-03-12 8:31 pm

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Re: Donnie Darko

aki wrote:

Someone lent Donnie Darko to me a few months ago, I still haven't bothered watching it. Maybe I will now. Thanks, G5Addict!

Yeah, you'll love it.  It's just up your alley.

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#48 2005-03-12 8:34 pm

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Re: Donnie Darko

Your analogy and fixation on roller coasters makes no sense. Roller coasters aren't an alternative for movies. They're a different thing entirely.

Implying that only movies that change your life are the only ones worthwhile watching makes no sense either. Some people enjoy movies as entertainment. You obviously don't. Roller coasters are also fun and entertaining. They also don't change my life each time I ride one, do they for you? It makes no sense for me to expect them to.

Liking a particular movie is very subjective. Everyone's opinions differ. There's no point in being so militant in telling people you don't like this or any other movie. Other people may like them, despite your opinion.

Honestly, your comparisions and mania make you seem sort of nuts. shrug

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#49 2005-03-12 8:37 pm

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Re: Donnie Darko

G5Addict wrote:

aki wrote:

Someone lent Donnie Darko to me a few months ago, I still haven't bothered watching it. Maybe I will now. Thanks, G5Addict!

Yeah, you'll love it.  It's just up your alley.

How would you know what's up my alley? That's rather presumptuous of you.

You should examine your arse for the stick that may be up it, then shove it up further.

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#50 2005-03-12 8:43 pm

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Re: Donnie Darko

Entertainment... that is the problem here.  Everyone expects to be entertained.  Roller coasters are a form of entertainment.  That's all, nothing else.  Movies, on the other, some may argue, are an art form.  (Oh god, he said the "a" word... I'm out of here).  Movies have the ability (like literature or any art form) to express what it means to be human and expereince life.  Hollywood likes to tell you that it's giving you an artistic expression of our culture.  But, sadly, they lie.

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