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Interesting read. Tiger, tiger, burning bright...

Sorry to tell you that guys... but I think you should read that...

http://www.macbidouille.com/niouzconten … 3-23#10682

Seems tiger is not as good as we want to think it is... These are the results: "Sans ombres" mean "without shadows" and "avec ombres" mean "with shadows".
In my opinion... Apple is not going to make it as far as more decent performance in gaming is concerned....

macbidouille.com wrote:

- Doom 3 & Tiger (I translated it from french)

Cafemacs made headlines in claiming that DOOM 3 would double the framerate in Tiger (in latest A414 beta tests). Reactions were sceptical. We asked a Tiger beta tester to try the game for us. G5 Dual 2,5 GHz and a Radeon 9800 just like our own machine under 10.3.8:

10.3.8:
- 800x600 sans Aniso sans Ombres : 50.9 FPS
- 800x600 sans Aniso avec Ombres : 38.3 FPS
- 800x600 avec Aniso 4x sans Ombres : 47.7 FPS
- 800x600 avec Aniso 4x avec Ombres : 37.1 FPS
- 1024x768 sans Aniso sans Ombres : 41.7 FPS
- 1024x768 sans Aniso avec Ombres : 29.6 FPS
- 1024x768 avec Aniso 4x sans Ombres : 38.2 FPS
- 1024x768 avec Aniso 4x avec Ombres : 28.1 FPS

Tiger A414 Beta:

- 800x600 sans Aniso sans Ombres : 52.2 FPS
- 800x600 sans Aniso avec Ombres : 40.2 FPS
- 800x600 avec Aniso 4x sans Ombres : 46.4 FPS
- 800x600 avec Aniso 4x avec Ombres : 35.4 FPS
- 1024x768 sans Aniso sans Ombres : 44.2 FPS
- 1024x768 sans Aniso avec Ombres : 31.6 FPS
- 1024x768 avec Aniso 4x sans Ombres : 37.4 FPS
- 1024x768 avec Aniso 4x avec Ombres : 27.9 FPS

The results are almost identical on both systems.

Last edited by Soulstorm (2005-03-23 4:18 pm)

Soulstorm wrote:

Sorry to tell you that guys... but I think you should read that...

http://www.macbidouille.com/niouzconten … 3-23#10682

Seems tiger is not as good as we want to think it is... These are the results: "Sans ombres" mean "without shadows" and "avec ombres" mean "with shadows".
In my opinion... Apple is not going to make it as far as more decent performance in gaming is concerned....

macbidouille.com wrote:

- Doom 3 & Tiger (I translated it from french)

Cafemacs made headlines in claiming that DOOM 3 would double the framerate in Tiger (in latest A414 beta tests). Reactions were sceptical. We asked a Tiger beta tester to try the game for us. G5 Dual 2,5 GHz and a Radeon 9800 just like our own machine under 10.3.8:

10.3.8:
- 800x600 sans Aniso sans Ombres : 50.9 FPS
- 800x600 sans Aniso avec Ombres : 38.3 FPS
- 800x600 avec Aniso 4x sans Ombres : 47.7 FPS
- 800x600 avec Aniso 4x avec Ombres : 37.1 FPS
- 1024x768 sans Aniso sans Ombres : 41.7 FPS
- 1024x768 sans Aniso avec Ombres : 29.6 FPS
- 1024x768 avec Aniso 4x sans Ombres : 38.2 FPS
- 1024x768 avec Aniso 4x avec Ombres : 28.1 FPS

Tiger A414 Beta:

- 800x600 sans Aniso sans Ombres : 52.2 FPS
- 800x600 sans Aniso avec Ombres : 40.2 FPS
- 800x600 avec Aniso 4x sans Ombres : 46.4 FPS
- 800x600 avec Aniso 4x avec Ombres : 35.4 FPS
- 1024x768 sans Aniso sans Ombres : 44.2 FPS
- 1024x768 sans Aniso avec Ombres : 31.6 FPS
- 1024x768 avec Aniso 4x sans Ombres : 37.4 FPS
- 1024x768 avec Aniso 4x avec Ombres : 27.9 FPS

The results are almost identical on both systems.

I'll leave my final thoughts after Tigar 10.4.2 comes out

I won't get my hopes up for Tiger; it seems like a lot is expected of the new Core graphic/video functions in their first incarnation. Being able to run DIII at peak isn't a deal maker or breaker for Tiger for me. I'll get Tiger out of curiosity about the first iteration of a 64 bit OS X, knowing I'll still be using 32 apps for quite some time, not unlike SGI/IRIX and the many 32 bit apps for that platform.

I've hit a great balance and comfortability with my G5 and Panther. I look forward to using my Mac in a way that I haven't since the pre-10.0, OS 9 days. I can finally work as quickly as I did in 9. Anything on top of that is gravy for me.

I wish VALVe would port HL2 and CS:S to the Mac, that would rock.  That might be enough to get me back into Mac again.

Bat wrote:

Peter Cohen, whose MacWorld D3 benchmarking article sparked so much, doesn't think Tiger will increase game framerates much.

Specifically, about the cafemacs.com reference and writing at the IMG Forums:

flargh wrote:

<cafemacs etc>

I don't trust this anecdotal -- dare I say apocryphal -- evidence as far as I can throw it.

When asked if he had Tiger from his MacWorld connection, he replied

I could tell you that, but I'd have to kill you.

http://www.insidemacgames.com/forum/ind … &st=24 and following

and the words are "doesn't think" meaning his own opinon. which you know are like @$$ holes,.. everybody has one.

I not here to put anything that Apple does on a pedestal, just saying I would wait to see the final product.

10.4 comes with gcc 4.0, which has guess what-- a auto-vectorization flag for compiling code!

But the benchmarks are mixed regarding it.

Barefeats has up some prelim benchmarks- big gains on the DP 2.5 on D3, much less on other apps (down to a few % on Halo). Looks like the OGL framework may have gotten some D3-specific reworking.