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#26 2003-01-27 12:26 am

Kirk
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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?

The exploding trains bit was because of the perceived pressures that would be necessary in the steam boiler.  A bit of redesign and advanced metallurgy and that problem was licked.

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#27 2003-01-27 12:37 am

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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?

I don't remember it being about the trains though...more about the people.

I'll have to track this down.
haha.."track"..sigh


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#28 2003-01-27 1:10 am

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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?

wow, they had GREAT science there!

thats weird, i mean cheetahs and other animals move a helluvalot faster than 30 mph (peregrine falcons come to mind, which can peak speeds at 125 mph, the record is 150 something mph)

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#29 2003-01-27 1:17 am

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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?

Give them a break, they were labeling alcohol as "medicinal elixirs" back then so they would obviously fall for simple scientific misconceptions.

Hey, I bet when people stop buying those "G-Ionized Bracelet Pain Killer Thingies" that we will suddenly be able to go faster than the speed of light. No really.

Anyway, my question is, what the heck happens to you when you go faster than the speed of light? If time slows down as you approach the speed of light what happens as you pass it? eek


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#30 2003-01-27 1:59 am

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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?

Not until we stop wasting all our wealth and resources building machines to kill each other we wont.

I mean come on, the $380 billion the US spends each year fighting imaginary enemies could feed the third world and start a colony on Mars several times over.


Its obvious what we need to do, explore space, then have a good excuse to waste all our wealth and resources building machines to kill those damn aliens.

Damn lousy aliens, just wait until us Psychotic Apes get to your planet.


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#31 2003-01-27 2:08 am

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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?

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#32 2003-01-27 2:35 am

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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?

Completely off topic: upon glancing at the title of this thread, I momentarily thought that someone had posted a poll on whether or not mankind would ever reach the stairs.

It's been a long day.

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#33 2003-01-27 2:57 am

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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?

Of course, if you actually reach out and touch a star, your arm dissolves off.


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#34 2003-01-27 9:50 am

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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?

My arm is soluble!?!?

Must...stay...away...from...solvents...ahhhhhhhh!


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#35 2003-01-27 11:03 am

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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?

I have two thoughts on this matter.

First off, only objects with MASS cannot go the spead of light.  So, does conciousness require mass? can we leave the meat behind and only send our thoughts out into space? Can we find a way to convert the mass of our bodies into pure energy and back again, then we could beam ourselves into outer space, and re-assemble at the other end?

Second thought, For every force there is an equal and opposite force, right?  So, maybe we can figure out a way to make Anti-mass, or Anti matter.  A balanced field of anti-mass around an object would reduce it's effective mass to zero, removing any inertial or accelerating problems, and the einsteins little corallary about the speed of light.

It can be done, and we will find a way to do it sooner or later ... hopefully later, as we would probably only use it for weapons production if we discovered it right now.


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#36 2003-01-27 11:10 am

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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?

I have two thoughts on this matter.

First off, only objects with MASS cannot go the spead of light.  So, does conciousness require mass? can we leave the meat behind and only send our thoughts out into space?

Well, since our thoughts are composed of the electro-chemical reactions of synaptic firings, I'd say no.

Can we find a way to convert the mass of our bodies into pure energy and back again, then we could beam ourselves into outer space, and re-assemble at the other end?

Not according to Heisenberg.

Second thought, For every force there is an equal and opposite force, right?  So, maybe we can figure out a way to make Anti-mass, or Anti matter.  A balanced field of anti-mass around an object would reduce it's effective mass to zero, removing any inertial or accelerating problems, and the einsteins little corallary about the speed of light.

The problem with that is just surrounding it with anti-matter or whatever doesn't work. You'd actually have twice as much mass. Anti-matter is just regular matter with opposite charges, i.e., protons are negative and electrons are positive. It still has mass equal to its matter opposite. A pound of anti-aluminum would weigh just as much as a pound of aluminum.


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#37 2003-01-27 11:27 am

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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?

I have two thoughts on this matter.

First off, only objects with MASS cannot go the spead of light.  So, does conciousness require mass? can we leave the meat behind and only send our thoughts out into space?

Well, since our thoughts are composed of the electro-chemical reactions of synaptic firings, I'd say no.

Can we find a way to convert the mass of our bodies into pure energy and back again, then we could beam ourselves into outer space, and re-assemble at the other end?

Not according to Heisenberg.

Second thought, For every force there is an equal and opposite force, right?  So, maybe we can figure out a way to make Anti-mass, or Anti matter.  A balanced field of anti-mass around an object would reduce it's effective mass to zero, removing any inertial or accelerating problems, and the einsteins little corallary about the speed of light.

The problem with that is just surrounding it with anti-matter or whatever doesn't work. You'd actually have twice as much mass. Anti-matter is just regular matter with opposite charges, i.e., protons are negative and electrons are positive. It still has mass equal to its matter opposite. A pound of anti-aluminum would weigh just as much as a pound of aluminum.

Well, you're wrong!!! Just Wrong!

I am the one making stuff up, so in my imaginary world that is exactly how it's gonna happen.  You just wait and see, mister! wink


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#38 2003-01-27 11:34 am

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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?

Well, you're wrong!!! Just Wrong!

I am the one making stuff up, so in my imaginary world that is exactly how it's gonna happen.  You just wait and see, mister! wink

Sorry...didn't realize you were intentionally pulling it all out of your ass. In that case, rock on, man! tongue


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#39 2003-01-27 8:08 pm

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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?

Quantum teleportation is most definitly possible. It's been done, but not with entire atoms yet. It circumvents the Heisenberg uncertainty principle by just letting the particles do their thang without interference. It takes advantage of an inherent trait of entangled pairs of particles, which is that if you affect one of them the other one is instantly affected as well, regardless of the distance between the two particles. Actually, this method isn't very good for sending massive objects, but it works great for information. Assuming they could perfect the technology they could teleport objects around. The only problem is, with an entangled pair you have to split the pair apart, keep one of the particles here on earth, and then send the other particle to a receiving station somewhere else. You're limited to the speed of light, so if you sent the particles to a close star system you would have to wait a few years for the particle to make it to its destination. The trick would be getting the receiving station where it needs to be to begin with. Also, it would just create a second copy of you at the receiving end and the original copy would be destroyed... but just a small technicality. wink

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#40 2003-01-27 9:30 pm

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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?


Not according to Heisenberg.

What about the Heisenburg comphensator? Right between the Pattern Buffer and the Main energizing coils? wink


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#41 2003-01-27 9:37 pm

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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?


Not according to Heisenberg.

What about the Heisenburg comphensator? Right between the Pattern Buffer and the Main energizing coils? wink

A producer or director or writer or something for Star Trek was once asked how a Heisenberg Compensator worked.

"Very well, thank you," was the reply.


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#42 2003-01-28 6:39 am

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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?

I don't think we'll get to the stars. For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism.


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#43 2003-01-29 7:16 am

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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?

http://www.etcontact.net/Other/Medieval … valArt.htm

Maybe the stars have come to us already...

 

#44 2003-01-29 7:27 am

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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?

A pound of anti-aluminum would weigh just as much as a pound of aluminum.

well no kidding....

anyway can i get a powerbook in anti-aluminum?

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#45 2003-01-29 2:58 pm

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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?

I believe the answer to this question lies in what so far remains hidden, i.e. the quantum structure of the universe. With regard to quantum theory we are roughly at the caveman-sticking-his-hand-in-a-fire-caused-by-lightning-and-finding-that-it-burns stage. We don't have a clue. To be able to truly understand the structure of anything ultimately leads to the ability to manipulate it. I believe that is what it will take to be able to stride among the stars as though we were gods. How will this be done...don't have a clue. Sure wish I'd be around to see it.


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#46 2003-01-29 3:32 pm

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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?

Will mankind ever develop faster than light travel?

No.

and reach the stars?

Not certain.



According to modern science it is much more likely for a stripper to appear next to me right now and give me a lap dance than it is for a human to ever travel faster than light.


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#47 2003-01-29 7:38 pm

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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?

I read through about half of this and so far noone has said this. What happens if you hit a grain of sand while traveling at the speed of light (or at any fast speed).

A grain of sand will screw you up big time and a small rock... well you will  have a huge hole in your craft. Lets pretend this finger nail sized rock hits our FTL drive or whatever.

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#48 2003-01-29 7:41 pm

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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?

damn that would suck major ass

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#49 2003-01-29 8:25 pm

Kirk
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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?

Sounds like we're back to sub-light speed arks again.  We can do that now.

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#50 2003-01-29 9:00 pm

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Re: Will mankind ever reach the stars?

damn that would suck major ass

You meant to say Major Tom. That would suck Major Tom.

"This is Major Tom to Ground Control. I'mmmm stepppppinnngg through the dooooor, and I'm floating in the most pecular waaaaaaay, and the stars look very different toooooodaaayyyyy"

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