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#26 2005-04-22 3:09 pm
- groid
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Re: Sagall's Blog
Hey Kirk!
I just want to say that I enjoy reading about your adventures. You talk in detail about things that many of us already take for granted. It's easy at the high levels to become focused on the prize and not appreciate all the little things we used to. You are a clean slate that is being filled up with all these cool new experiences.
Here is some advice you can use if you want.....
Talk to the guards in the major cities (Stormwind). They point you in the direction of many valueable trainers and such. I can not stress this enough....see what the guards can show you.
Spend time wandering around. I found this very enjoying and informative. Too often people ask "Where is this...where is that" without even putting effort to look for themselves. If you are stuck however...by all means ask someone.
Use the many websites we have linked in the information thread. Be warned however that the main purpose of these sites is to tell you exactly what and where EVERYTHING is. Some people like to find out for themselves....others don't. So use the sites if you want.
Visit www.worldofwarcraft.com and read what the makers have to say about classes/quests/professions. Their site tells pretty much everything people need to know.
Most importantly...have fun!
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#27 2005-04-22 3:14 pm
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Re: Sagall's Blog
I agree with groid except for the bit about reading the www.worldofwarcraft.com stuff. My experience is that the descriptions are so vague that they are either meaningless or unintentionally deceptive. Just play the class how you like and you will eventually find something you like.
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#28 2005-04-22 3:41 pm
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No problem, groid. I prefer wandering around, hence my ability to unequivocally state any and all roaming baddies not to far from Goldshire will fall to Sagall's pickaxe.
I'm hanging around that lumber camp east of Goldshire at the moment.
I've been wondering about the trades. I've not done anything with those yet. It seems rather silly to learn to fish or sew clothing.
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#29 2005-04-22 3:45 pm
- Warin
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Re: Sagall's Blog
Fishing provides food for you to eat, and as such it's good to have for when you need some healing between battles.
Check your mail, I am going to craft some basic weapons and armour and send them your way.
(As soon as whisperwind comes back, that is! I cant seem to log on!)
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#30 2005-04-22 3:51 pm
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Thanks! I'm sure that'll help a bunch.
Is there a coin above gold coins? Or does one just count their stacks of gold?
Healing between battles is automatic. All I do is wait twenty seconds or so between skirmishes and my character is back at full health. Then on to the next enemy. Isn't this right? If its not, I don't plan on complaining to the management. 
So what's the purpose of food anyway? I've never used it.
I just advance one kobold at a time through the mine until I've cleared it out or my backpack is full, whichever occurs first.
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#31 2005-04-22 3:57 pm
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Re: Sagall's Blog
Might be a bit... It seems like something is dead between me and Whisperwind.
So much for the BRD run 
From what I can tell, either way, you're screwed. Bad people are punished by society's laws, and good people are punished by Murphy's Law.
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#33 2005-04-22 5:10 pm
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FYI, you generally regen health/mana faster if your 'toon'/'character' sits down ('X' key). Also, food generally increases stamina (health) and spirit (mana) for roughly 15 mins. Oh, and you can drink (for mana classes) and eat at the same time, thereby regenning both bars much quicker (this is common for Mages to reduce down time between fights, specially since they can conjure both). You take cooking to take meats, eggs, fish, & herbs to make these foods with stats.
Regarding Fishing, fishing is a source of food and there are recipes for some of the fish you catch too be used for cooking. There are still other fish such as Oily Blackmouth and Sunfish that are used by Alchemists for potions. There are still other fish such at Big Catfish that can be used in offhand for humor purposes and also a Deviate Fish recipe which I believe Naggy is still searching for that causes all sorts of strange and humerous transformations and buffs.
Tailoring (sewing) that is where generally who makes your equipment bags. The bags grow in size by level from 6/8/10/12/14/16 as the Tailor's skill increases. Besides bags, tailors make good cloth gear for Warlocks, Priests and Mages.
I believe Leatherworkers/Skinners make quivers and shot bags for bows and guns respectively. Besides Leather clothing for Druids, Rogues, and Hunters.
Enchanters basically provide buffs to chest, hands, legs, feet, sometimes back, and to weapons. They can also make wands for caster classes.
Blacksmiths/Miners make Mail (plate?) and weapons of various sorts. My paly is not high enough in this to know much more about this profession. Someone else can fill in info about this one.
Engineers/Miners make explosives, bombs, recombobulators, lil' robots, mechanical sheep/chickens/vendors, jumper cables (trinket that allows you to rez), and other fun/humorous gadgets.
Alchemists/Herbalists are the flower pickers. I'm one of these and can make mana/health potions, invisibility/detect invisibles, underwater breathing, fire protections, RAGE generation, and many other potions.
First Aid is where you learn to be your own lil mini-doctor and apply bandages to yourself to heal yourself. You create bandages from various humanoids that drop linen/wool/silk/mageweave/etc.
You can have all 3 of Cooking, Fishing and First Aid. But you can have only 2 professions out of the remaining gathering/producing skills of Mining, Skinning, Herbalism, Blacksmith, Engineer, Leatherworking, Alchemy, Tailoring, Enchanting. Please note that generally Mining is the gather skill for Blacksmith & Engineer, Skinning for Leatherworking, Herbalism for Alchemist. But your free to mix and match without impunity, but if you pick 2 productions and no gathers you will have a hard time leveling or go thru a lot of money buying materials at the Auction House in Ironforge. Some people pick 2 gathers and become materials suppliers to keep their player stocked with gold to end game and then 'unlearn' one of the skills and power level the production skill they want, or just keep the 2 skills indefinetely and be a mats farmer for other guild members in exchange for potions, gear, and enchants.
Also note that there is no gather profession for Enchanters or Tailors. The Enchanter dis-enchants (DE) green items or above
to get dusts and shards with which they do their enchanting. Tailors get their materials from cloth drops off of humanoids of linen/wool/silk/mageweave/etc. but also use other materials such as pearls(dropped by clams underwater), iron buckles (blacksmith), sewing thread(tailor vendor), elemental drops and various other real world drops.
This ends todays professions lesson (by me anyway). Later -netnutz
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#34 2005-04-22 5:33 pm
- ConnertheCat
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Re: Sagall's Blog
Levitate requires Light Feathers, something that can't even be bought...
... every now and then, I go and farm level 13 moonkin outside of Ashenvale for them. Annoying.
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#35 2005-04-22 5:37 pm
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Thanks much. That was very informative. Since I've got a warrior, blacksmithing sounds like a good match. Due to my real life, engineering looks like fun too. 
OK, so I should eat something before entering a mine for increased health.
Cool thanks.
Is first aid available to all or does that count as a profession? I'd really like to have that in addition to the others.
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#36 2005-04-22 5:41 pm
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Well the advantage of going engineering is that most of the stuff engineers make can only be used by an engineer.
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#37 2005-04-22 6:01 pm
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Re: Sagall's Blog
I think you guys mean the Abby at Northshire, not northwind 
And as a warrior kirk i got some suggestions that i hope help ( im a paladin but played warrior in beta and the first week of retail).
If you have proper gear and weapons you can usually take on a beast 2 lvls above you, 3 and above gets hard and youl die a lot more. If its an elite then your gona have a lot more trouble, Elites have about 4x the HP as normal mobs and hit harder. You can define elites by the silver dragon around their icon, or when you mouse over them it will say they are elite. If you ever see something with a grey dragon around its icon it isnt elite, just a rare spawn. Below around lvl 12-15 vendor armor is better then armor off of drops, once you get past lvl 12-15 you really should start checking the auction house or keeping drops and using green items with the proper stats.
Also when you get new armor, green and above dont just give armor they give stats like stamina intillect spirit etc, the main stats you want as a warrior are stamina and strength, stamina increases your HP and Strength increaseshow hard you hit, youl also want some agility in there.
Once youv done all the quests in elwyn forest and are a little higher lvl youl get quests to go to loch modan and westfall, both areas for lvl 11-20 ish.
And a little later on you should get a chain of quests about the defias brotherhood (rebels) inw estfall that leads to going into an instance dungeon, when the proper lvl for an instance you have to go with a group of the right class mixes to survive, i suggest not going the MTM84 way and attempting to solo the deadmines at lvl 20 
Oh and how mail works is, theres a mailbox in front of the inn in goldshire, and multiple scattered around in stormwind like in front of the bank. Sending mail cost 30c each time so at your lvl you might want to avoid sending too much
also when you log out i highly advise you log out in an inn or a city so you get rest, the longer your logged out the more "rested" you are and when your rested you gain 200% experience from kills, so when you log off log in an inn or city and it helps you lvl faster when you get back on, at your lvl it wont make much of a difference because you lvl so fast but at higher lvls it really makes a ton of difference.
Hope all that was useful 
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#38 2005-04-22 6:33 pm
- NorthernComfort
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Re: Sagall's Blog
First aid can be learned by anybody. The three extra professions (fishing, cooking, first aid), don't count to your two profession slots.
For example, you can be a miner/blacksmith AND all three of the extra professions. Or none of them. This means 5 professions- very fun. I recommend learning cooking early- you'll want it once you've got a few thousand health under your belt... waiting for that to recharge is a real bother, let me tell you.
I'd send you some goodies, but my paladin is only level 39, and on a different server. Nope, I'm not a MA member- I'm too much of a PvP nut to part with it. I'm Kaseya on Stormscale.
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#40 2005-04-22 9:25 pm
- LLEVIATHANN
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Re: Sagall's Blog
Kirk wrote:
You guys are very kind. Thanks for the tips and stuff.
Have ya figured out the mail. 
Hint find a mail box...look around the inns.
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#41 2005-04-23 4:22 am
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if you wanna see what your big bad warrior can be when he's all grown up... take a look at daeran, or me and pretend that i can do damage or tank 
Immediately, a large toad leaped into her lap and looked at her as if it wanted to be loved. "Grep," it exclaimed. "Don't mind him," explained the Mad Hacker. He's just looking for some string."
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#42 2005-04-23 11:01 am
- christophillis
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Re: Sagall's Blog
Daeran is a good friend of mine, and I'm sure he'd be happy to give you any tips you need. 
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#43 2005-04-24 12:08 pm
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Thanks Levi! Bags and money!
Thanks also to Naturnix (Warin) for that sword. That should be very useful in a few levels.
Last night I was wandering around the farmlands on the eastern edge of Westfall just west of the Elowynn woodlands. Those harvest golems give considerable goodies. There were a lot of people at the community around Sentinel Hill last night. I noticed that a vendor appeared under a tree along the road at night and disappeared in the morning. Similarly a mailbox appeared near the inn during the day but wasn't there at night.
I ran into my first elemental, a dust devil. I thought I was passing far enough away for him not come chase me. ha ha, I died again.
I wandered most of the length of that realm on the road and found yet another entrance into the Dusk Wood. I stayed away from the level 17 venomous spiders this time and only looked around a little bit, from the road. 
I realized I was grossly in error regarding my level mentioned previously. I'm a level 15 warrior currently that's working on level two warrior skills. I was actually about level 8 when I said I thought I was level 2 on the first page of this thread.
How do I drop a skill? I accidentally picked up leatherworking since I ran into that trainer first.
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#44 2005-04-24 2:47 pm
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Re: Sagall's Blog
Open up your character screen and go to your "skills" tab.
Scroll down till you see leatherworking, and select that. Next to the progress bar there is a small button with a "cancel" thing in it.
Click that, confirm it, and you will unlearn the profession. Should you ever pick it up again, it will start at skill 0.
You're working on level two warrior skills... have you seen a warrior trainer? If you haven't purchased all your new skills and such, the closest trainer to you is in Goldshire. There aren't any trainers in Westfall.
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#45 2005-04-25 12:21 am
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I've had my first gryphon ride. That was fun. I'm working on the last two quests from Sentinel Hill before moving on to another area. I'm getting way tired of beating up on the Defias Brotherhood. Who knew murloc eye was part of a tasty pie? 
Thanks for that hint, NC. That cleared it. I'm a miner now.
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#46 2005-04-25 3:20 am
- Bat
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Re: Sagall's Blog
"Kirk's a miner now and he's OK
"He WoWs all night and he mines all day."
[/Monty Python]
(Psst... just don't make him reload). 
*Soon to be retitled "The Adventures of Kirk"
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#47 2005-04-25 4:13 am
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d'oh! 403'd!
Immediately, a large toad leaped into her lap and looked at her as if it wanted to be loved. "Grep," it exclaimed. "Don't mind him," explained the Mad Hacker. He's just looking for some string."
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#48 2005-04-25 7:49 am
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It happens.
Simple workaround
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#49 2005-04-25 3:47 pm
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I'm stuck figuring out how ranged weapons work. I'm not finding it on the WoW site.
I picked up a bow and arrows but can't seem to make it fire at targets. Equally important, how do I switch back to my sword when the enemy charges in close?
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#50 2005-04-25 3:58 pm
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There are actually two different attacks for ranged and melee attacks.
What you need to do is open up your skills book ("p" key) under the general tab there is a "shoot" attack. Drag that to your skill bar somewhere.
Next, make sure you have a gun/bow and bullets/arrows equiped. You have a ranged weapon and ammo slot in your character screen ("c" key) right next to your main/off hand weapon slots.
When you want to shoot your ranged weapon, click on your "shoot" skill, when you want to use melee use your "attack" skill.
Also, you will have to manually fire every ranged shot. And if the target is too close you will not be able to use your ranged weapon.
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