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subcitizen wrote:

it's not a race issue at all, it's a child-rearing issue. if the kid will act that way at school, imagine how she acts at home. that girl has been taught a very valuable lesson about where disobedience gets you, and it will be something she remembers for the rest of her life. for the mother to take legal action would just be like saying to that girl "you were right to throw that temper tantrum and attack those teachers, and the police were wrong". the kid was out of control, not the police, and it would be a sad day when 5 year olds have just as much (or more) power than teachers, their parents, or police officers. the kid wasn't hurt, the police officers did nothing wrong, there's no legal grounding or reason to sue.

-andrew

I know it's not a race issue, but it will probably be made into one, just watch... as someone asked in another one of my topics, do minorities cause discrimination, I think if they call the color card here, it will be proven as a yes to my other topic.

As for family raising another example of what i was saying in the other topic, but all in all this should not be amazing to anyone here, the education school system can't deal out punishment or corporal punishment any more so children in school are allowed a free reign to be bad...

Podesta wrote:

What's next?  A claim that African-American infants should be restrained at birth?

Yes. Unless they want to BECOME PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS IN SOCIETY.

{link goes to tshirthell}

{In my defense and self poke, here}

matt wrote:

Podesta wrote:

So, now even five-year-old black people are violent threats who need to be handcuffed?  Yes, that is what is being under the rug swept by the person who posted this entry and  some of the commenters so far.   They are basing their support of the officers' ineptitude on the race of the child.  If the child was white, their response would be quite different.  What's next?  A claim that African-American infants should be restrained at birth?  Not so incidentally, some of the same persons applauding abuse of this child have expressed bigotry on other threads.  That is where they are coming from.

The unreasonableness of the adults' behavior is what should be investigated.

The best way to treat tantrums is to stand back and let the child act out.   Eventually, he or she will calm down.   That is true of children of all colors, so Oz, Steyr, You Know Who, and the not yet arrived, but completely predictable BB1 through 3, should feel free to spare us the 'blacks are inherently violent,' attempt at justification. 

This situation is egregious.  I would represent the parents of the child pro bono.

Ugh.

Grunt in my ear next time.

bratboy wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

The school teachers and faculty are technically not even allowed to touch a child, or they can be sued. A child can punch hit, throw things at the teacher but the teacher can't do anything back except tell the student to calm down or to tell them to have a "time out". The schools now have to hire faculty which are allowed to handle the child if they get out of control.

...I'm pretty sure there's no federal law pertaining to that...

Doubt there is that's probably why the schools can do what they do with the variations of the rules.

locutus_of_borg wrote:

I could see the need to cuff a child to protect other children or the child from harm. But that is only in extreme cases where nothing else has worked. I would rather empty the room and sit there with the Principal and Vice Pricipal and let her fip out. Just wait for the parents to show up and take her away. I my experience, the child will stop the theatrics after the other kids leave and there are only 3 adults in the room who are not amused. They just shut up and cry or pout. Cops are a bit overboard for a kid throwing a tantrum. It reeks of bad school administration and poor classroom management.

Actually it reaks of bad parenting.

Wow.

Policies on disciplining children vary throughout the country.  Sometimes they differ from district to district in the same state.   The claim that schools do not allow adults to touch children is not accurate.   Even in districts with limitations, if the touching is reasonable, rather than abusive, it would be allowed.  There tends to be a correlation between region of the country and whether corporal punishment is allowed.  The South has a high rate of corporal punishment.

There is also a proven correlation between race and abuse of children in public schools.  African-American children are disciplined disproportionately and more severely than white children.  The behavior is reflective of the continuing impact of racism in our society. 

Read the data here:

http://www.stophitting.com/disatschool/ … anning.php

I totally disagree with the people who are trying to justify the way the child was treated on the grounds 'it will teach her a lessson.'  One lesson that child learned is that people two or three times her size, and even more times her age, will abuse her if given the opportunity.  Another is that many white people do not perceive African-Americans as fellow human beings deserving fair treatment, even when said black people are children.

There is a more in depth examination of the use of corporal punishment against black school children here:

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/ … i_n8721467

Steyr AUG wrote:

Why do you keep bringing racing back into this?

Simple he is a bigot.

Podesta wrote:

So, now even five-year-old black people are violent threats who need to be handcuffed?  Yes, that is what is being under the rug swept by the person who posted this entry and  some of the commenters so far.   They are basing their support of the officers' ineptitude on the race of the child.  If the child was white, their response would be quite different.  What's next?  A claim that African-American infants should be restrained at birth?  Not so incidentally, some of the same persons applauding abuse of this child have expressed bigotry on other threads.  That is where they are coming from.

The unreasonableness of the adults' behavior is what should be investigated.

The best way to treat tantrums is to stand back and let the child act out.   Eventually, he or she will calm down.   That is true of children of all colors, so Oz, Steyr, You Know Who, and the not yet arrived, but completely predictable BB1 through 3, should feel free to spare us the 'blacks are inherently violent,' attempt at justification. 

This situation is egregious.  I would represent the parents of the child pro bono.

You're the one inserting black and race into this. I didn't know what race the girl was when I heard the story, only that a kid was being unruly. And I didn't hear many people saying that a black child should be handcuffed while a white child shouldn't. It sounds like you're inserting race into something that isnt necessarily a racial issue.

Podesta wrote:

There is also a proven correlation between race and abuse of children in public schools.  African-American children are disciplined disproportionately and more severely than white children.  The behavior is reflective of the continuing impact of racism in our society. 

Read the data here:

http://www.stophitting.com/disatschool/ … anning.php

I witnessed this in middle school personally, and I would tend to agree that it is just one sign of racism in society today, but I don't see why it is directly related to this thread...

I totally disagree with the people who are trying to justify the way the child was treated on the grounds 'it will teach her a lessson.'  One lesson that child learned is that people two or three times her size, and even more times her age, will abuse her if given the opportunity.  Another is that many white people do not perceive African-Americans as fellow human beings deserving fair treatment, even when said black people are children.

There is a more in depth examination of the use of corporal punishment against black school children here:

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/ … i_n8721467

The only information I have about this incident is what was posted in this thread, and that's really not a lot of info. I don't think there is enough information to determine that the child was abused, and there's even less to determine whether race was a factor in the handcuffing or not.

Cyberpawz wrote:

Donovan Osaya wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

Simple he is a bigot.

No, he's a NASCAR LOVER.

Dare I even ask what that means?

If you could properly read, you wouldn't have to.

But this is your dyslexia's fault...

mo' ron wrote:

Cyberpawz wrote:

Donovan Osaya wrote:

No, he's a NASCAR LOVER.

Dare I even ask what that means?

If you could properly read, you wouldn't have to.

But this is your dyslexia's fault...

Why do you keep bringing dyslexia into this?

MrJ in OZ wrote:

Your right about her own safety, but I heardly think she was really posing a violent threat. Unless ur afraid of thrown papers and getting paper cuts. She could have been violent to the other children but they did a good job of seperating her.

I think her behavior is due to her mothers lack of proper disapline.

You don't see Japanese children acting like that because they act as they see their parents act.  (Sure they got there own casses where a boy cut off the head of another, but he was phychotic.)

You can't guarantee that unless you know for sure about her environment. Behavioral problems can be caused by chemical substances (example).

There are many different health effects associated with elevated blood lead levels. Young children under the age of six are especially vulnerable to lead's harmful health effects, because their brains and central nervous system are still being formed. For them, even very low levels of exposure can result in reduced IQ, learning disabilities, attention deficit disorders, behavioral problems, stunted growth, impaired hearing, and kidney damage. At high levels of exposure, a child may become mentally retarded, fall into a coma, and even die from lead poisoning. Within the last ten years, children have died from lead poisoning in New Hampshire and in Alabama. Lead poisoning has also been associated with juvenile delinquency and criminal behavior.

Last edited by mahakali (2005-04-24 10:05 pm)