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MrJ in OZ wrote:

The bat graph preys upon psychology to utilyse it's information. This would not be accepted by scientists and pshycologists would be wholly against it too.

MrJ in OZ wrote:

And I said posting such statistics are alright for a general knowlege of a situation, but not for a point basis. That is unless they describe in whole about how they got and arranged these stats.Some cases are different than others though and that is up to us to decide for ourselves.

MrJ in OZ wrote:

MrJ in OZ wrote:

And I said posting such statistics are alright for a general knowlege of a situation, but not for a point basis. That is unless they describe in whole about how they got and arranged these stats.Some cases are different than others though and that is up to us to decide for ourselves.

It says it's from US Dept. of Education reports.

There's no margin of error, but it isn't supposed to even be any sort of statistically-derived number...it's the gross number of reported incidents.

Can someone explain why a commenter is focusing attention on the graphics accompanying the report on corporal punishment to me?   It seems to me that what matters is the data.   Is focusing on the graphics an effort to distract people from looking at the data confirming disparities in corporate punishment in regard to region, race and gender?  Are people naive enough to fall for such a shoddy evasion if that is what is occuring?

On the bright side of a dark issue -- child abuse and racism -- I do think it a good thing that so many states have stopped using corporal punishment.

Last edited by Podesta (2005-04-25 2:01 am)

Podesta wrote:

Come someone explain why a commenter is focusing attention on the graphics accompanying the report on corporal punishment to me?   It seems to me that what matters is the data.   Is focusing on the graphics an effort to distract people from looking at the data confirming disparities in corporate punishment in regard to region, race and gender?  Are people naive enough to fall for such a shoddy evasion if that is what is occuring?

I don't know....the graph represents the least significant data on the page, in my mind.

Podesta wrote:

Can someone explain why a commenter is focusing attention on the graphics accompanying the report on corporal punishment to me?   It seems to me that what matters is the data.   Is focusing on the graphics an effort to distract people from looking at the data confirming disparities in corporate punishment in regard to region, race and gender?  Are people naive enough to fall for such a shoddy evasion if that is what is occuring?

On the bright side of a dark issue -- child abuse and racism -- I do think it a good thing that so many states have stopped using corporal punishment.

It would be real nice if you could explain this comment:

you wrote:

So, now even five-year-old black people are violent threats who need to be handcuffed?  Yes, that is what is being under the rug swept by the person who posted this entry and  some of the commenters so far.   They are basing their support of the officers' ineptitude on the race of the child.

Before you made this post no one in the thread knew the race of the child because it was never mentioned, yet you still accuse us of being racists. I would like to know why.

I'm also puzzled about why the viability of the report is being attacked.   The Department of Education employs researchers and statisticians qualified to collect and interpret the data.   Plus, they have the legal authority to collect the data, which private researchers don't.  So, it seems to me that this would be the most viable data available.   Could the attack on the data be motivated by a desire not to believe what the data say?

Furthermore, as the article from the journal confirms, studies over the decades by qualified social scientists reach the same conclusions.  Seems like good evidence to me.

Last edited by Podesta (2005-04-25 2:09 am)

So, the issue is whether the bats in the graphic are fat or skinny, eh?

Please

Onthebeach wrote:

Let's call the cops every time a five year old has a tantrum. SWAT for a seven year old and the marines for anything older.
The teacher in question should think about changing her job.
Maybe the cops too as they seem to think it easier to handcuff a child rather than using their imagination. Do they handcuff their own kids when they misbehave?

When they come in to an unknown situation with a reportedly violent suspect you bet they should be putting handcuffs on them.

Besides, if 6 year olds can shoot people, they can wear handcuffs.
http://www.detnews.com/2000/metro/0003/08/03090018.htm

Steyr AUG wrote:

Podesta wrote:

So, the issue is whether the bats in the graphic are fat or skinny, eh?

No the issue is you blithly accusing people of racism with no evidence whatsoever, now address it.

Yea, yer the one who aserted a different agenda to this debait.

[loud speaker] This is not about race and not inteded to be. This is about hand cuffing children naughty and the realation to bad parenting or parenting in the 21st century. [/loud speaker]

Steyr AUG wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Steyr AUG wrote:

No the issue is you blithly accusing people of racism with no evidence whatsoever, now address it.

Admittedly, I don't see how you got tossed in there (not to pass judgment on the others)...

All I want to know is what "the BB" means and why race was brought up by podesta. Then I can go to bed

yea, he keeping everyone awake for this one.
do tell.