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#26 2005-04-25 11:31 am

Gil Grissom
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Re: Your iPod or your life?

I don't think wearing a ski jacket in 90


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#27 2005-04-25 11:34 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

It's either that or lose the iPod...heat exhaustion can be easily recovered from with Gatorade and other electrolyte-rich beverages, whereas iPod theft is scarring for life.


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#28 2005-04-25 12:15 pm

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

I'm going to have to side with the frontier wisdom of "don't take your guns to town." Pulling a pistol during a mugging is more likely to result in someone getting killed. Assuming the mugger has a knife or gun of his own, it's even odds to who will wind up bleeding to death on the street. Police recommend handing over your iPod and walking away with your life.

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#29 2005-04-25 12:20 pm

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

Sternum wrote:

I'm going to have to side with the frontier wisdom of "don't take your guns to town." Pulling a pistol during a mugging is more likely to result in someone getting killed.

Better him than me.

Didn't violent crime in australia increase after they started taking guns from the lawful citizens?
Maybe there would be less crime if we all were packin.

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Jenny had a pistol in the other
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#30 2005-04-25 12:31 pm

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

Sternum wrote:

Police recommend handing over your iPod and walking away with your life.

What police may or may not recommend does not always jive with the best course of action. If you wish to perpetuate crime in your neighborhood, go ahead and hand over your property to whoever wishes to take it from you.


Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger/Benedict XVI: "a simple, humble worker in God's vineyard." Habemus Papem!

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#31 2005-04-25 12:49 pm

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

resedit wrote:

Sternum wrote:

I'm going to have to side with the frontier wisdom of "don't take your guns to town." Pulling a pistol during a mugging is more likely to result in someone getting killed.

Better him than me.

If you're willing to gamble on that, be my guest.

Camp David wrote:

Sternum wrote:

Police recommend handing over your iPod and walking away with your life.

What police may or may not recommend does not always jive with the best course of action. If you wish to perpetuate crime in your neighborhood, go ahead and hand over your property to whoever wishes to take it from you.

It's not about perpetuating crime -- it's about getting killed over a piece of plastic.

Wisdom comes from picking your battles. I wouldn't hesitate to protect my loved ones if need be, but I'm not going to kill or be killed over a stupid iPod. If you're truly willing to shoot someone over a couple hundred dollars, I question the sanity of letting you have firearms in the first place.

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#32 2005-04-25 12:58 pm

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

Sternum wrote:

Wisdom comes from picking your battles...

I agree; but occasionally one must make a stand on basic civil liberty and the idea over protecting yourself must be based upon the law. The law in this case favors the law abiding (that would be ipod owner in case you're confused) over the law breaker (mugger). Shooting a few would be good for personal security.

Sternum wrote:

If you're truly willing to shoot someone over a couple hundred dollars, I question the sanity of letting you have firearms in the first place.

Why? Because I put a premium on my rights to be free from crime? You seem to think it's just dandy that someone is breaking the law stealing ipods, but anyone that might challenge that idea is somehow off their rocker! Let me give you a wake up call... just a For-Your-Info type piece of knowledge... in many states stealing a newspaper out of someone's driveway is grounds for prosecution, as is trespassing on private property. That's way below mugging, but the penalties for both can justify deadly force, all within the law.

I think Burke's quote here (I hope it was he) would fit and I paraphrase: "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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#33 2005-04-25 12:59 pm

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

MrJ in OZ wrote:

"People should always be aware, but especially when they've got white headphones dangling from their ears."

Uh OH, they said white head phones. Doesn't that offend you? Arent they incinuating racial crimes here? Don't  railroad my threads either.

HIS post had to do with the topic.  That's allowed whether you like it or not...don't start threads if you're going to be upset when someone expands the topic.


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#34 2005-04-25 1:01 pm

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

resedit wrote:

Sternum wrote:

I'm going to have to side with the frontier wisdom of "don't take your guns to town." Pulling a pistol during a mugging is more likely to result in someone getting killed.

Better him than me.

Didn't violent crime in australia increase after they started taking guns from the lawful citizens?
Maybe there would be less crime if we all were packin.

...just because crime might supposedly be lessened won't make you any less dead.


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#35 2005-04-25 1:06 pm

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

Camp David wrote:

Why? Because I put a premium on my rights to be free from crime? You seem to think it's just dandy that someone is breaking the law stealing ipods, but anyone that might challenge that idea is somehow off their rocker! Let me give you a wake up call... just a For-Your-Info type piece of knowledge... in many states stealing a newspaper out of someone's driveway is grounds for prosecution, as is trespassing on private property. That's way below mugging, but the penalties for both can justify deadly force, all within the law.

I think Burke's quote here (I hope it was he) would fit and I paraphrase: "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

You believe that shooting someone stealing your newspaper is just, yet you claim to be part of the "culture of life?" What happened to "turn the other cheek?"

By the way, nice "he's against guns so he's pro-crime" strawman.

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#36 2005-04-25 1:16 pm

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

Sternum wrote:

You believe that shooting someone stealing your newspaper is just.

No, but I fault the thief not the property owner!

Sternum wrote:

yet you claim to be part of the "culture of life?" .

Yes I do, but what's that got to do with this discussion? Nothing at all.

Sternum wrote:

What happened to "turn the other cheek?".

I did; I take precuations to avoid crime and I hide my ipod and other property when I can, not advertise it to attract thieves! Beyond that, I believe standing up for your belongings is a civic responsibility.

Sternum wrote:

By the way, nice "he's against guns so he's pro-crime" strawman.

You brought it upon yourself when you surfaced the argument.


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#37 2005-04-25 3:10 pm

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

Sternum wrote:

I'm going to have to side with the frontier wisdom of "don't take your guns to town." Pulling a pistol during a mugging is more likely to result in someone getting killed.

Better him than me.

Didn't violent crime in australia increase after they started taking guns from the lawful citizens?
Maybe there would be less crime if we all were packin.

...just because crime might supposedly be lessened won't make you any less dead.

Yeah, resedit, we're going to need some links about Australia.  My understanding was that they have very little crime over there....so an "increase" in crime might be from 0.8 per 10,000 people to 1.1 per 10,000 people, or some such thing.


Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.  Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet."  They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.

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#38 2005-07-04 2:42 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

Well, what we were discussing a few weeks ago has happened.  A 15-year-old boy has been killed for his iPod in New York City.  He was stabbed by other teens.

Neighbors say the boy tried to run from his attackers.

"You heard him running and they were chasing him, and they were like, 'Get him, get him,'" one eyewitness said.

"He came down this block and the kid ran out of breath," said another.  "He ran out of breath and the kids caught up with him."

"It's horrible," added a woman who lives in the area. "I have a 17-year-old that lives here

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#39 2005-07-04 4:55 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

That sucks - that really sucks.


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#40 2005-07-04 5:20 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

Well, they are more expensive that Air Jordans. Some smurf will kill for anything.


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#41 2005-07-04 6:12 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

Virtually every kid in my school who brings an i-pod there has it stolen. It's become a game of sorts. Flaunt your "wealth" and you deserve to be punished  seems to be the attitude. No i-pod reported stolen has ever been returned in my school, and no i-pod thief that I know of has been caught.

PS: And while I love music (esp. classical and jazz and pop and R&B) and can't imagine living without music in the car or at home or at concerts, I also can't imagine walking around with something in your ear that prevents you from really hearing "the music of the traffic in the city" or the birds, wind, and water in the country or even the music of the spheres at night -- not to mention the pleasure of hearing snatches of conversations in real time.

An i-pod is something I definitely don't want and would never buy for anyone.


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#42 2005-07-04 11:17 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

Maybe Belkin should make the iPod grenade attachment.  Someone steals your iPod and with a proximity sensor the thing explodes, that will teach them. wink

I was just in New York city and I could not believe the number of dangling white "hello look at me, I have an iPod" flaunting that I saw. I think the earbuds suck. If want good earbuds then go get some Shure E series.

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#43 2005-07-04 11:51 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

Eh, I'd normally side with the "carry a gun and/or knife" folk, but in a city the bastards are bound to be armed. If you're willing to bet on your superiority with a weapon, you're betting on shallow odds. Give up the iPod. It's just a piece of electronics.


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#44 2005-07-04 11:54 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

Black hook-over-the-back-of-the-earbuds.


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#45 2005-07-04 3:08 pm

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

I think someone should lend Debbie an iPod.  As someone who works in education, apparently, she would find one quite useful.   Some private grammar schools, and colleges, are now using iPods in their courses, particularly music and foreign languages.  With the advent of podcasts, and the ability to download books and notes, and photo capability, the iPod is much more than the best MP3 player in the world.  And, there's no requirement that users listen for any particular amount of time.  You can still listen to the hummingbirds (or the neighbors' weed blower). 

I was looking at Logitech's new Bluetooth wireless headphones last night, but I think they would attract even more attention.  And, at $150, they are something worth stealing themselves.

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#46 2005-07-04 6:51 pm

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

Well, that certainly has convinced me to

a) not live in a smurf

and

b) if I have to live in a smurf, not flaunt a $400 device the size of a deck of cards in said smurf.


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#47 2005-07-04 10:39 pm

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

How much caution is too much?   Is one putting too much value on material objects?  How much self-help, for example, not flaunting an expensive item, should apply?

You never have to flaunt an iPod.  Just use Sony headphones or something and keep the iPod in your pocket.  The iPod is really nothing to flaunt - it's getting to be a common item and it's really not that expensive.

Kids that steal exist in every neighborhood, you can't let them dictate the way you live.  Headphones make you an easy target though, as you can't really sense their approach as easily. 

I don't get the appeal of people stealing iPods. 
Why risk prosecution for an item that costs $300, and has an even lower worth used. Wouldn't it be more of an attraction for theives to steal something more expensive, like a Rolex?  If you want to flaunt status, wear a Cartier watch not an iPod.

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#48 2005-07-05 1:12 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

Podesta wrote:

I am wondering if I would have an iPod thief prosecuted or not.  I don't like the idea of being the person who initiates a kid's criminal record.

Don't sweat it...you didn't initiate the record, the thief did. He made a choice.

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#49 2005-07-05 2:02 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

Habs24 wrote:

How much caution is too much?   Is one putting too much value on material objects?  How much self-help, for example, not flaunting an expensive item, should apply?

You never have to flaunt an iPod.  Just use Sony headphones or something and keep the iPod in your pocket.  The iPod is really nothing to flaunt - it's getting to be a common item and it's really not that expensive.

Kids that steal exist in every neighborhood, you can't let them dictate the way you live.  Headphones make you an easy target though, as you can't really sense their approach as easily. 

I don't get the appeal of people stealing iPods. 
Why risk prosecution for an item that costs $300, and has an even lower worth used. Wouldn't it be more of an attraction for theives to steal something more expensive, like a Rolex?  If you want to flaunt status, wear a Cartier watch not an iPod.

Just because you don't have one doesn't mean.... tongue

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#50 2005-07-05 2:19 am

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Re: Your iPod or your life?

avkills wrote:

Habs24 wrote:

How much caution is too much?   Is one putting too much value on material objects?  How much self-help, for example, not flaunting an expensive item, should apply?

You never have to flaunt an iPod.  Just use Sony headphones or something and keep the iPod in your pocket.  The iPod is really nothing to flaunt - it's getting to be a common item and it's really not that expensive.

Kids that steal exist in every neighborhood, you can't let them dictate the way you live.  Headphones make you an easy target though, as you can't really sense their approach as easily. 

I don't get the appeal of people stealing iPods. 
Why risk prosecution for an item that costs $300, and has an even lower worth used. Wouldn't it be more of an attraction for theives to steal something more expensive, like a Rolex?  If you want to flaunt status, wear a Cartier watch not an iPod.

Just because you don't have one doesn't mean.... tongue

-mark

You're seriously delusional and you lack refinement if you think that an iPod is really a rare item.  To put it into prespective for you, a good leather belt costs more than an iPod.  You're probably too young to realize how much $300, $400 really is.  You'll understand when you grow-up.  Or maybe lack of refinement is an American thing?  Maybe you'll never learn, c'est dommage. 

I have an iPod and I've had absolutely no problems with thieves so far, but the Montreal Metro is probably safer than any subway system in the US.  I don't know how it works in the States, but we don't need to stay strapped just to catch a ride on public transit.

Surprisingly, I've had my other MP3 player, a flash-based RIO stolen when I left it in a Mercedes.  The thieves smashed the window, took my bag and dumped my textbooks.  The sad thing was that it was parked in a paid lot - where the hell was security?!

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