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#1 2003-01-27 1:06 pm

angry_at_apple
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iPhoto Book Service = HORRIBLE Service

A WARNING to anyone out there considering use of the iPhoto book printing service...

Have you been to an Apple Store lately?  Have you seen the beautiful, linen-bound books they have on display that were "created" by simply clicking a few buttons in iPhoto?  Or maybe you've seen their samples on line.  Each photo is rich in color, perfect in contrast and beautiful in detail.  BEWARE!!!  This service is the biggest rip off perpetrated on us poor Mac lovers since Apple started charging us for technical support.

I have an iMac DV / 500 running OS 10.1.5 and iPhoto 1.1.1.  I recently bought a Canon Digital ELPH S200 at the local Apple Store to ensure compatibility.  I was thrilled with iPhoto from the moment I first saw it and I couldn't wait to use the book creation service.  I eagerly laid out the photos from my recent vacation and -- boom! -- instantly zapped my photos into the expert hands at Apple for printing.  A few extra pages upped the price to $58.86 including shipping and tax, but I figured it was a small price to pay for a beautiful book like the one I saw in the Apple Store.

I'm sure you can tell where this story is going by now... When I received my book about 10 days later, I was horribly disappointed.  Granted, the photos I sent in for printing were taken at medium resolution, so I expected some loss of detail, but what I got back was just plain ugly.  The greens and reds in each picture had a ghoulish fluorescence.  The contrast was so skewed that in one photo, my daughter's face was nearly washed out. 

This was not the quality I had come to expect from Apple.  Heck, the printouts of those photos on my Epson C42UX were far superior.  So I did what any Apple lover would do.  I called the iPhoto customer service number to tell them of my dissatisfaction.  If I was dissatisfied with their product, surely they would rectify the situation... WRONG!  Not only did the curt customer service guy who answered my call emphatically state that, according to the Terms and Conditions that I agreed to upon ordering Apple does not take returns due to customer dissatisfaction (what?!), and then, right while I was on the phone he looked up my "original files" and then sanctimoniously told me that his monitor was "configured for true-to-photo colors" and that the reds and greens were indeed fluorescent and that the contrast was indeed all out of whack.  Now thoroughly steamed, I told him that if I had money and/or desire to purchase a monitor and professional software that ensure "true-to-photo colors", I wouldn't be using his (obviously) amateur survice to begin with.  His response:  "Sir, are there any other *questions* I can answer for you today?"  Again, I tried to voice my dissatisfaction.  He cut me off with a "thank you for calling Apple".

I called right back.  This time, after reminding me that a less abrasive woman admitted that the photo files sent from iPhoto to Apple's servers are converted to .PDF files, so sometimes there can be some quality loss in the process.  "The iPhoto book service was not a 'professional' service," she reminded me.  Yeah.  Obviously not. 

I was really disappointed -- mostly in myself.  Since purchasing my first Color Classic ten years ago, I was hooked on the tribe of Mac users.  I used a superior, underground computer!  I was independent from the Wintel empire.  In short, I thought different!   I thought I was too old to be taken in by slick marketing.  But now, it's sadly clear to me that Apple Computer is just another cold corporate entity with no more empathy for its consumers than McDonalds or -- ghasp -- Microsoft.   The customer service people did not offer an apology, did not offer a refund, did not offer anything to rectify the situation or even thank me for using their products.... So you can keep your $58.86 Apple.  But you've lost me as a blind evangelist for your products.     

I don't think it should be wrong that when we spend more for so-called superior products, Apple should provide superior customer service.  If anyone else out there is as dissatisfied as I am, please add a post to this forum.    Maybe there's someone in Cupertino who actually cares what we think.

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#2 2003-01-27 1:18 pm

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Re: iPhoto Book Service = HORRIBLE Service

angry_at_apple wrote:

But now, it's sadly clear to me that Apple Computer is just another cold corporate entity with no more empathy for its consumers than McDonalds or -- ghasp -- Microsoft.



Well DUH!  Apple isn't here to be your best friend or something.  They're a business.  They're here to make money, not make your life or iLife better.  They're just as greedy and power-hungry at Microsoft.  The only real difference between the two companies is that Apple, in my opinion, has a better product which makes them the lesser of two evils.  I think it really bites they wouldn't refund your $ but like I said, that's all they really care about at the end of the day.


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#3 2003-01-27 2:14 pm

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Re: iPhoto Book Service = HORRIBLE Service

My advice would be to bring the same files you sent to Apple, along with the book and even the camera's memory card with the original files to a reputable professional photo shop or photolab that prints high quality digital photos (check the yellow pages) and get an expert opinion of your original files. If they can reproduce acceptable quality prints from them, then you have a valid complaint. If so, enquire if the lab deals with Kodak Professional Digital Imaging Services. If they, or another local lab does, then they may be willing to place an enquiry with Kodak as to what the problem might be. Kodak (or a Kodak sub contractor) handles the printing for Apple. You can also direct your complaint directly to kodak. Be warned however that you are certain that your files will produce acceptable quality prints, and be prepared to be persistant (but polite).


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#4 2003-01-27 2:28 pm

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Re: iPhoto Book Service = HORRIBLE Service

My advice would be to bring...

I get my best service in person rather than over the phone or e-mail.   There's an 85 % chance for Americans to be within 15  miles (minutes ?) or so of an Apple Store.

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#5 2003-01-27 3:22 pm

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Re: iPhoto Book Service = HORRIBLE Service

So you admit your photos were less than high quality... there is your problem.  If you do something like this, you take pictures at the highest resolution you can.

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#6 2003-01-27 4:12 pm

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Re: iPhoto Book Service = HORRIBLE Service

The sample books were ful of beautiful models in fashonable clothing. All my friends are fat and ugly and wear toughskins jeans. And my iPhoto book looks bad because of it.

Seriously though, I think Apple should have given some suggestions how to get the best color from his computer screen to their book. If they convert them from .jpg to pdf then Angry At Apple should be able to see the color cast by doing the conversion himself. If I don't do any color correction on my digital camera my printer puts it out very similar my camera monitor.

If you give a neg to a photo lab and you don't like the color of the print, they reprint it at no extra charge. Part of their cost is built in to do some reprints.


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#7 2003-01-27 6:40 pm

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Re: iPhoto Book Service = HORRIBLE Service

Here's what I posted in response to the same rant he/she left on the MacWorld forums:


Of course, different people will have different experiences...

When I ordered my iPhoto book, the copy I received wasn't my photos; I called Apple and over the phone they verified that my files were there and although they had no idea why I'd received the wrong book, they re-ordered it for me.

I was told to mail the original book back to them and then fax a copy of the postage receipt to them and they would refund what it cost me to return it to them; the only thing they couldn't help me with was the Canada Customs duty I had to pay.

When I finally received the right book, I was very pleased with the quality of the photos and the book itself.

People are entitled to their opinion, but considering that I've seen damned few rants about the quality of the books and/or Apple's customer service on them, I'll take it with a grain of salt.


We can only give you what we think you said you thought you wanted...

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#8 2003-01-27 8:22 pm

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Re: iPhoto Book Service = HORRIBLE Service

can you post a pic?  And maybe a photo or scan of that page in the book?  I'm curious to see for myself on my tuned monitor.

I understand your consumer anger, but I see both sides.  I receive files all the time, and many times it's not my job to fix them, just to print them.

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#9 2003-01-28 1:02 am

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when i ordered a iPhoto book i was actually surprised that the quality was as good as it was. some of the pictures were a little blurry, but of course the blame is on the photographer. wink

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#10 2003-01-28 1:43 am

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Re: iPhoto Book Service = HORRIBLE Service

A printed photo can only be as good as the original.  smile

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#11 2003-01-28 3:00 am

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Re: iPhoto Book Service = HORRIBLE Service

1) The Canon S200 you speak of, if anything like the S110 will provide your daughter with the same washed out face look. Apple offeres the book service as a print, not a photo finisher. Turn off your flash and stop complaining. 

2) As far as prices go, you knew how expensive Apple can be from the day you bought an iMac.  If you feel soo ripped off than just go to a PC and ask MS to print your precious book. Watch how fast some one wipes your photo's with their ass and mails it back to you, "priority" shipping.

Your rant is nothing more than error on your part.  Use a better camera next time, the S110 produces pictures of the nature you recieved your book at, and I guess very little has improved with image quality in the s200.  I blame this on your poor photography sence.


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#12 2003-01-28 6:55 am

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I take any topics from a users who has never posted here before with a grain of salt.  roll

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#13 2003-01-28 12:57 pm

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Re: iPhoto Book Service = HORRIBLE Service

I have used a HP PhotoSmart 2 megapixel camera with great results from Apple's iPhoto book service - even with black and whites!

On my newer Nikon Coolpix 5000 5 megapixel camera, the colors are rich and saturated - sure I can take awful photos with it, but I have to make some bad mistakes (flash while the sun is shinging on someone?).

As a preventative measure before ordering books, I use the preview option which creates the same PDF that gets sent to Apple.  I print it on my Epson to see how it is going to look.  If I am satisfied with the results, I send it off, to get a great book at the end.  Sometimes, I am not satisfied, so I don't bother with it.


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#14 2003-01-28 11:54 pm

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Re: iPhoto Book Service = HORRIBLE Service

I'm sorry but this is your own fault. I've ordered pictures via iPhoto and I can say without a doubt that they are the best photos I have ever had printed. They are beautiful.
 
Of course, I'm smart enough to take them at my camera's full resolution.
 
How large did you get the pictures printed? Were there any on the full page? Did you get the resolution warning on any of them? You started out with a 2megapixel camera and then decided to use medium resolution??? I wouldn't use medium resolution on a 2megapixel camera for anything more than displaying on a computer screen.
 
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#15 2003-01-29 2:17 pm

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Re: iPhoto Book Service = HORRIBLE Service

Funny... he comes here to bitch with a post count of 2, and never returns... typical!  Maybe he is finally reading his digital cameras manual.   roll

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