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#26 2005-05-07 12:44 am
Re: Tiger . . .are you guys experiencing bugs too???
Cyberpawz wrote:
I've done a clean install and all I can say is that it's a good OS, but for business it's not ready... there are still too many issues that need to be "fleshed out" first.
And those are? Not trying to call you out, but a statement like that begs for examples.
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#27 2005-05-07 4:41 am
Re: Tiger . . .are you guys experiencing bugs too???
When I installed on my mini, I just did an upgrade and haven't had any problems. I usually reformat and install, but I was too eager to play with the OS, I didn't feel like putting up with the hassle of restoring my files.
But my brother just told me his install (An upgrade too) was very buggy. Tomorrow I think I'll reformat his and reinstall. Maybe just for the halibut, I'll do it to mine too.
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#28 2005-05-07 8:38 am
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Re: Tiger . . .are you guys experiencing bugs too???
Gipetto wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
I've done a clean install and all I can say is that it's a good OS, but for business it's not ready... there are still too many issues that need to be "fleshed out" first.
And those are? Not trying to call you out, but a statement like that begs for examples.
1. Disk Utility functions only 1 out of 20 times, and when it doesn't it causes the beach ball of death. The only way to fix it is by restarting the machine, force quitting doesn't work.
2. Beach ball comes up a lot when opening an application, entire system freezes till the ball is gone.
3. Quicktime stalls and causes a beach ball when viewing trailers.
4. BOMArchiveHelper doesn't function like it was meant to (never really did work to my liking anyway)
5. Spotlight seems to slow down a little searching inside certain folders.
6. Random crashing of several applications and no warning or request to give a report.
7. .Mac sync Functions but gets my laptop and computer mixed up and doesn't save the preferences of both machines separately.
On a good note I've noticed a huge speed increase though.
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#29 2005-05-07 9:11 am
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Re: Tiger . . .are you guys experiencing bugs too???
It sounds like you are having issues. The beach ball shouldn't be coming up as much as you suggested.
4. BOMArchiveHelper doesn't function like it was meant to (never really did work to my liking anyway)
And how is that apple's fault?
You have an absolutely breath-taking... heiney. I mean, that thing's good. I wanna be friends with it.
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#30 2005-05-07 9:17 am
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Re: Tiger . . .are you guys experiencing bugs too???
MuckSavage wrote:
It sounds like you are having issues. The beach ball shouldn't be coming up as much as you suggested.
4. BOMArchiveHelper doesn't function like it was meant to (never really did work to my liking anyway)
And how is that apple's fault?
Do you even know what it does?
It is a file compressor, namely for cpgz. It allows the OS to compress files without the need of a 3rd party program. It has never really functioned well enough for me to not use stuffit as a program as a whole. As far as I can tell this is the program that is used or can be used to compress files inside Mail.
And it has come with the OS 10 for as long as I can remember.
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#31 2005-05-07 9:22 am
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Also I forgot the stock market Dashboard program seems to not like adding in MSFT. Says it's in invalid symbol...
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#32 2005-05-07 10:06 am
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Re: Tiger . . .are you guys experiencing bugs too???
My problems are thus, on a dual 1.25Ghz mirror door with 2 gb RAM and external firewire drive for PS and Illy scratch space and storage: Camino constantly slows down to the point that if you didn't know better, you'd think it was locked up. Some file associations have been messed up for some of my 3rd party programs. And I don't know if its 10.4's fault or not, or just that I installed all of the CS2 programs at about the same time, but my CS2 programs have gotten so slow, that I have to, if I want good response, kill the CS2 apps I'm not using till I need to switch to another one, which sucks. Don't know if its OS or Apps, or just hardware limitation......Yeah, I need a G5, I know. Anyone got one just layin' around? Ha.
Other than all of that, I think 10.4 is pretty darn cool. Can't wait for 10.4.1, as they always make things better with those releases, even things you didn't know were needing fixing.
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#33 2005-05-07 10:19 am
Re: Tiger . . .are you guys experiencing bugs too???
I did a simple upgrade and I have had no problems whatsoever. Except for the fact that I cannot type today, but that is not Tiger's fault.
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#34 2005-05-07 11:17 am
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Re: Tiger . . .are you guys experiencing bugs too???
I did the general upgrade on both my MDD G4 and my iBook G3. Both are running fine. The G4 has always had this stalling problem while logging out, but that's been there since I pretty much have had the machine. (It came with 10.3.3 pre-installed)
I did an Erase and Install on my iMac DV. Dashboard does not run ever smooth at all. And window dragging is atrocious. Very jittery.
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#35 2005-05-07 12:59 pm
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Re: Tiger . . .are you guys experiencing bugs too???
Spotlight would crash while trying to index my wife's Powerbook G4 hard disk. It gave no indication that it crashed but the console revealed repeated crashes of mdimport. Spotlight searches would turn up little if anything. A visit to Mac OS X hints for some spotlight terminal stuff helped remedy that problem and all seems well now. Safari doesn't like to rememeber its window position (in spite of trashing prefs repeatedly) and it has this odd stalling thing it does every so often. When its not getting its stall on its blazing though, I am starting to suspect that it may be a Haxie that is contributing to the Safari thing. All in all I have been pleased with Tiger. Most other problems were just with software that needed to be updated. I definitely echo the idea posted by others regarding the clean install. Takes a ittle longer but I think one can avoid a lot of problems that way.
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#36 2005-05-07 3:15 pm
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Re: Tiger . . .are you guys experiencing bugs too???
So far it has been great. I've installed it on two new iBooks (512 ram, 1.2 ghz). I've seen none of the difficulties mentioned by others - and I hope I don't! : )
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#37 2005-05-08 8:09 am
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I did an upgrade install, and I have had no problems. (By the way, Apple should make it more clear that to do a fresh install one must click "custom" when doing the install -- but that's another story.) I have a 1.25 Ghz AlBook.
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#38 2005-05-08 8:23 am
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I also forgot another function bug. Preview seems to have issues with dual monitors...
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#39 2005-05-08 10:07 pm
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Re: Tiger . . .are you guys experiencing bugs too???
So I have a few strange newbie questions that are driving me crazy..I just bought a used Powerbook as my first Mac, and I have been having round the clock crashes even after doing a clean install. Generally anything with Firefox and Thunderbird crash randomly 90% of the time, and using word is almost out of the question. I have fewer crashes with safari and mail, but randomly I get the beachball of death and the machine just freezes until I manually restart. I guess what I am wondering , is this fairly typical with a new build, or is third party software just problematic? I am just sad because I can accept crappy performance from XP (after 10 years of Microsoft I am used to it!) but I was hoping to escape it with a Mac... Any advice is appreciated, because I am just frightened of what to expect from now on..
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#40 2005-05-08 10:10 pm
Re: Tiger . . .are you guys experiencing bugs too???
Cyberpawz wrote:
I've done a clean install and all I can say is that it's a good OS, but for business it's not ready... there are still too many issues that need to be "fleshed out" first.
I think all kinks will be ironed out by 10.4.3
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#41 2005-05-08 10:15 pm
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Re: Tiger . . .are you guys experiencing bugs too???
botterpants wrote:
So I have a few strange newbie questions that are driving me crazy..I just bought a used Powerbook as my first Mac, and I have been having round the clock crashes even after doing a clean install. Generally anything with Firefox and Thunderbird crash randomly 90% of the time, and using word is almost out of the question. I have fewer crashes with safari and mail, but randomly I get the beachball of death and the machine just freezes until I manually restart. I guess what I am wondering , is this fairly typical with a new build, or is third party software just problematic? I am just sad because I can accept crappy performance from XP (after 10 years of Microsoft I am used to it!) but I was hoping to escape it with a Mac... Any advice is appreciated, because I am just frightened of what to expect from now on..
Use the hardware diagnostic disc to verify that the instability is not due to bad memory.
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#42 2005-05-08 10:18 pm
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Re: Tiger . . .are you guys experiencing bugs too???
macnut wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
I've done a clean install and all I can say is that it's a good OS, but for business it's not ready... there are still too many issues that need to be "fleshed out" first.
I think all kinks will be ironed out by 10.4.3
10.4.5, Normally Apple works that way... Normally all the severe bugs are taken care of by the 1/2 way mark, although I would really like them to take care of just these few bugs by 10.4.1 though...
I've heard of problems with iChat, and dead communications, I've also been hearing about Safari and a few other bugs as well...
Some are minor, some are serious... I hope by the next release the big bugs are taken care of...
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#43 2005-05-08 10:26 pm
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Re: Tiger . . .are you guys experiencing bugs too???
MuckSavage wrote:
It sounds like you are having issues. The beach ball shouldn't be coming up as much as you suggested.
4. BOMArchiveHelper doesn't function like it was meant to (never really did work to my liking anyway)
And how is that apple's fault?
well they wrote the os didn't they if it was windows there would be angry mobs gathering in these forums
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#44 2005-05-08 10:29 pm
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Oh, stop.
You have an absolutely breath-taking... heiney. I mean, that thing's good. I wanna be friends with it.
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#45 2005-05-15 6:14 pm
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Re: Tiger . . .are you guys experiencing bugs too???
I did a full "Erase & Install". My hard drive was getting too cluttered, decided to backup and start fresh. Went from 10.2.8 to 10.4.
Install was a breeze, but a few little bugs hit me afterwards:
1. My Apple ID and password were denied during the setup process. Weird because I double-checked my entries. Later, when I logged into Apple's web store the ID and password were accepted.
2. After install, I dragged the Tiger disc to the Trash/Eject in the dock. It disappeared, but it did not eject. Went to System Profiler and it didn't show any disc in the drive, yet hitting the outside eject button would not work.
Related to this, System Profiler also froze up massively when I clicked on Hardware/Disc Burning. Force Quit wouldn't work.
Anyway, this was the first time the system booted under the new OS, so I gave it a reboot. Sure enough, discs will eject properly now and System Profiler works fine.
3. Mail 2.0 Headache. I backed up my entire Home/Library on my second internal drive. While setting up Mail 2.0 in Tiger I tried to import these old mailboxes containing 5000+ messages. But when it tried to import, it came up with empty folders. I knew this was wrong because my mbox folders were 150MB apiece. I selected "Other" under mailbox type while trying import. The program scanned through my old e-mail titles while importing, but once again gave me an Import folder with an empty Sent folder and an empty Inbox.
Even stranger, the Import folder would simply disappear if I rebooted Mail. All evidence of importing anything was gone. I solved the problem with a tip from another website. Basically I quit Mail, threw the new Home/Library/Mail folder in the trash, threw Home/Library/Preferences/com.apple.mail.plist in the trash, and then dragged over my old Mail folder and my old com.apple.mail.plist file.
I started up Mail and this time it imported all of my messages correctly. I was about to have a heart attack if I couldn't have access to my old messages.
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#46 2005-05-15 7:40 pm
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Re: Tiger . . .are you guys experiencing bugs too???
Printing trouble. Can't seem to print anything off PhotoShop CS to an Epson printer. I get strange code and stuff.
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#47 2005-05-15 9:15 pm
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I installed all 3 ways on partitions of my firewire external. All installations work perfectly--given very minor tinkering. Cloned my erase and install/import from Migration Assistant installation to a newly formatted internal.
Don't worry, be happy! ~(;^)
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#48 2005-05-15 9:33 pm
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Re: Tiger . . .are you guys experiencing bugs too???
wellfleation wrote:
I've been hearing that a clean install is the way to go with Tiger. That's what I did and haven't had any issues besides the occasional Safari quitting on me with many pages open.
Actually, I've been having many more crashes not only in Safari, but in iPhoto as well. I never used to have crashes in iPhoto, and I did a clean install! *waits for huge updates*
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#49 2005-05-15 10:21 pm
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Re: Tiger . . .are you guys experiencing bugs too???
wavelayer wrote:
Printing trouble. Can't seem to print anything off PhotoShop CS to an Epson printer. I get strange code and stuff.
Photoshop 7 pulls this BS with my HP LaserJet 1200, too. It claims the printer's not a PostScript printer (it is), and then it prints page after page of gibberish. Not too happy about that. (I can print to PDF and print the file from Preview, but...)
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#50 2005-05-15 10:53 pm
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Re: Tiger . . .are you guys experiencing bugs too???
dinerfan wrote:
wavelayer wrote:
Printing trouble. Can't seem to print anything off PhotoShop CS to an Epson printer. I get strange code and stuff.
Photoshop 7 pulls this BS with my HP LaserJet 1200, too. It claims the printer's not a PostScript printer (it is), and then it prints page after page of gibberish. Not too happy about that. (I can print to PDF and print the file from Preview, but...)
By any chance, does this gibberish begin with
Code:
%PS-Adobe-2.0
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