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#1 2005-05-19 2:06 pm
star wars: episode III reviews/discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS!)
first off, i would like to know exactly where the blabbermouths get off trying to compare lucas' final entry into the saga to his political leanings?... perhaps its just me being blind and too much of a fan, but i had read and heard all about it beforehand and anticipated picking stuff up throughout the movie, but honestly didn't think about it again until someone else brought it up later after the movie was over...
second, when palpatine/sidious was talking about the sith lord (who i assume was his master) being able to create life out of midichlorians... was this a clue about how anakin actually came to be?... remembering in the first film, the whole discussion about him just appearing in his mother's womb... anyone with a deeper knowledge or insight on this?...
suck it, trebek.
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#2 2005-05-19 2:09 pm
Re: star wars: episode III reviews/discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS!)
let's hear some spoilers!
"the bible is cooler than i thought.... most of the main characters get stoned!!!"
"let's get back to the good ol' days when the "opiate of the masses" was still actually opium." -me
"kids don't beat me. i beat kids." -HJS
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#3 2005-05-19 2:11 pm
Re: star wars: episode III reviews/discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS!)
LukeLucas wrote:
second, when palpatine/sidious was talking about the sith lord (who i assume was his master) being able to create life out of midichlorians... was this a clue about how anakin actually came to be?... remembering in the first film, the whole discussion about him just appearing in his mother's womb... anyone with a deeper knowledge or insight on this?...
you know how vader can choke someone from across the room? it's like that.... using the force you could theoretically impregnate an unknowing person.
"the bible is cooler than i thought.... most of the main characters get stoned!!!"
"let's get back to the good ol' days when the "opiate of the masses" was still actually opium." -me
"kids don't beat me. i beat kids." -HJS
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#4 2005-05-19 2:49 pm
Re: star wars: episode III reviews/discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS!)
here are some things i came away with and some of my views...
1) one gets the feeling that natalie portman pissed off mr. lucas at some point because her role (while yes, ultimately the absolutely most important and crucial one in the story) was significantly limited and stilted...
2) i was not ever disappointed by any of the duels... the return of "duel of the fates" during the epic duels between anakin/obi-wan and yoda/sidious was enough to get my heart racing...
3) R2-D2 kicks so much friggin' ass... he is a strong contender for favorite character in the entire series...
4) this movie WILL make you get teary-eyed... when order 66 is handed down and you see the troopers begin to take out Jedis one-by-one, you can't help but feel absolutely heart-broken... and when anakin enters the temple and goes to the room where the younglings are hiding... jesus, it doesn't get anymore gut-wrenching than that...
5) however teary-eyed i got, only two scenes almost made me break down...
a- padme's funeral scene... the pan across her body to her hands holding the token that the young anakin gave her in episode I made me catch my breath...
b- uncle owen and aunt beru mirroring luke's pose in ANH with the twin setting suns on tattoine... that scene always gets me in ANH, but here in ROTS, it was absolutely heart wrenching...
6) gen. grievous was effin' awesome... wasn't he all CGI?... if so, its almost impossible to tell in most spots, especially when he is conversing in one scene with sidious via hologram communication...
7) witnessing yoda admitting to failure was one that ripped my heart out... and where he drops his cane when the jedi holocaust begins (while he is in Kashyyk) was incredibly powerful...
8) palpatine was awesome and ian macdiarmid (sp?) did a fantastic job, as usual...
9) lucas hit the nail on the head portraying anakin's turn... very subtle but brilliantly portrayed...
10) and wookies kick ass... seeing chewie was a great moment, and seeing chewie carry yoda on his back made me very happy...
ok, i gotta get to work...
suck it, trebek.
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#5 2005-05-19 2:52 pm
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Re: star wars: episode III reviews/discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS!)
Sorry but I have to do this.
For the biggest spoiler.
Anikan becomes Darth Vader.
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#6 2005-05-19 4:05 pm
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Re: star wars: episode III reviews/discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS!)
I thought the whole scene where the Ani --> Vader operation scene was a little off.
I dont get any emotion out of Vader. Anikan great turning evil and all but once he's covered up he just cant sell emotion and his first step off the table kinda made him look like Frankenstien.
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#7 2005-05-19 4:13 pm
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Re: star wars: episode III reviews/discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS!)
What I posted in my LJ:
Alright, I saw the movie - I'd give it a 8 out of 10, but further viewings may move this up or down.
The following are a list of (mostly) criticisms:
Minor Spoilers (you'd get more info from a TV ad):
- Wasn't dark enough (for how much it was billed as such).
- Stupid, Pointless battles in the middle.
- Minor inconstancies with previous movies.
Major Spoilers (Don't read these if you haven't seen the movie):
- The first fifteen minutes of the movie had me thinking it was a fake movie, and they were going to re-roll the opening and start over - it was that bad.
- Amadala's killing was a cop-out, "Can't find anything wrong with her"... blech
- The lack of seeing the obvious ... why it took Obi-wan and everyone else that long to realize the kids were Anakin's was just ridiculous.
- The battle @ Kayssahk was really pointless... waste of time.
- The final lightsaber battle between obi and vader sucked once they fell in the lava river - and the way in which the latter was burned was pretty stupid too.
- The opening space battle was SWEET - a rare find in the star wars universe. It even managed to overshadow the smurfy ground battles.
- General Greevus was a major let down - Obi was able to kill him without breaking out a sweat.
- The part where R4 got ripped to pieces was really sad 
- The rap up at the end was kinda lame and drawn out... sorta like Return of the King
- The CGI on Yoda was really good this time around. I was much impressed.
- I still don't see how Anakin managed to land that half of a ship (without any engines!) onto a landing strip of all places - mighty convenient. Not to mention they should have died from an impact that bad. The whole ship tilting down and gravity shifting inside the ship made no sense either.
- Did I mention it wasn't dark enough?
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#8 2005-05-19 4:17 pm
Re: star wars: episode III reviews/discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS!)
Mars_Attacks wrote:
Sorry but I have to do this.
For the biggest spoiler.
Anikan becomes Darth Vader.
No!!
It's not true!!
That's Impossible!!!!
...;;;---...///---999;;;===
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#9 2005-05-19 4:26 pm
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Re: star wars: episode III reviews/discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS!)
Conner is right though, Liea said she remembered mommie; unless she remembers being pushed out between her mom's legs, then thats messed up
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#10 2005-05-19 4:32 pm
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Re: star wars: episode III reviews/discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS!)
also Yoda's lightsaber reflexed light onto his face, but I never saw that happen with any of the real life characters
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#11 2005-05-19 4:52 pm
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Re: star wars: episode III reviews/discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS!)
Marc wrote:
also Yoda's lightsaber reflexed light onto his face, but I never saw that happen with any of the real life characters
Well the force is strong wit that one...
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#12 2005-05-19 5:53 pm
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Re: star wars: episode III reviews/discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS!)
Mars_Attacks wrote:
Sorry but I have to do this.
For the biggest spoiler.
Anikan becomes Darth Vader.
Wait, that would mean that Vader is Luke's father....
You ruined it damn it!
"YOU DISGUST ME!!!!"
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#13 2005-05-19 6:18 pm
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Re: star wars: episode III reviews/discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS!)
i liked the movie. it's not Empire, or even ANH, but i think it's as good as Jedi. it blew Menace and Clones away.
things i liked:
1. it made Vader's turn from the Dark Side in Jedi much more believeable. even as a kid, Luke's ease of turning him was a bit, well, off. with his motivations for turning to the Dark Side explained (love of family, essentially), his return from it was fully justified. with the release of Sith, the title Return of the Jedi makes a hell of a lot more sense: it's not the Jedi Order the title refers to, but a specific Jedi - Anakin Skywalker.
2. all the little nods to the "classic" vehicles and stories - i know a lot of this was in Clones also, but i loved the proto-X-wings and proto-Ties in the space battles. the inclusion of Captain Antilles and Grand Moff Tarkin. the scout trooper armor the clones were wearing on Kashyyk. the fact that the helmets of the clone pilots echoed the helmets of the Tie pilots in shape.
3. the tenderness of Palpatine comforting the burned Vader on the magma planet... showed even Sith have feelings. he may be evil down to his very core, but that doesn't mean he doesn't care...
things i didn't like:
1. everybody getting their hands chopped off.
2. Chewbacca. don't get me wrong, i like Chewbacca. but the whole wookie sequence was almost a throwaway. it didn't have to be wookies, it could have been anybody. as long as Yoda went somewhere to help somebody and move the plot along.
3. how long does it take to build a Death Star anyway? in other words, why would it take like eighteen years (or more) to build the first one and six (or less) to build the second?
4. Jar-Jar lived.
5. are you telling me every clone just blindly obeyed the order to kill the Jedi? it takes free will and creativity to make the best soldiers - there wasn't one clone that said, "uh-uh. i've fought beside Master <whoever> for <x> years, and i'm not going to shoot him/her in the back 'cause some politician says so." it seems the Jedi order would be the best type of commanders and would earn the love and respect of their troops, clones or no.
but yeah, i give it a 
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#14 2005-05-19 6:40 pm
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Yeah, it was ok.
Some of the dialogue was painful to listen to.
The battle scenes were awesome, the opening shot where the camera is following Obi and Ani's fighters made me dizzy it was so good.
It was really depressing to watch all the Jedi get killed, espesally the younglings and the padawan that attacked the clones while Bail was at the temple. Very sad.
Vader was way too emotional. The whole "Nooooo!" line was ridiculous.
I'll probably see it again sometime soon, defiantly worth a second showing.
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#15 2005-05-19 8:37 pm
Re: star wars: episode III reviews/discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS!)
Just got back from seeing it...
how long does it take to build a Death Star anyway? in other words, why would it take like eighteen years (or more) to build the first one and six (or less) to build the second?
Was thinking the same thing after leaving the movie...I guess Palpatine hired the lowest bidder since the Empire was probably strapped for cash after the war. 
Doesn't make much sense that they were able to rebuild the death star in about 5 years during the original trilogy.
This is really corny, but did anyone else get a flashback to the 'dark knight' scene in 'Monty Python and the Holy Grail' when Vader got chopped up? "Just a flesh wound..." 
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#16 2005-05-19 8:45 pm
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jhota wrote:
2. Chewbacca. don't get me wrong, i like Chewbacca. but the whole wookie sequence was almost a throwaway. it didn't have to be wookies, it could have been anybody. as long as Yoda went somewhere to help somebody and move the plot along.
3. how long does it take to build a Death Star anyway? in other words, why would it take like eighteen years (or more) to build the first one and six (or less) to build the second?
those were two of my non-continuity gripes too...
I mean, I didnt like that they had 'the' 3PO much either but the Chewbacca thing was uncessary. I liked seeing lots of Wookies but I think it would have made more sense to not have yet another ep 4-6 character in 1-3.
and yeah jesus I mean if ep4-6 were spaned even 10 years, how if the hell would they have put together a 2nd (larger) Death Star together in that short of time. One could conjecture that the Death Star being built was the prototype Luke and company found in the Maw facility years after ep 6 but I dont know if I would believe that
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#17 2005-05-19 9:10 pm
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I can't believe you guys waited in line for so long! 
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#18 2005-05-19 9:16 pm
- ConnertheCat
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Re: star wars: episode III reviews/discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS!)
Marc wrote:
...and yeah jesus I mean if ep4-6 were spaned even 10 years, how if the hell would they have put together a 2nd (larger) Death Star together in that short of time. One could conjecture that the Death Star being built was the prototype Luke and company found in the Maw facility years after ep 6 but I dont know if I would believe that
It probably was Maw - would have been nice to see a few blackholes though. Could have seen other sections of the deathstar and/or the suncrusher - I'm not exactly sure when they started construction on the latter.
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#19 2005-05-19 9:30 pm
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wellfleation wrote:
I can't believe you guys waited in line for so long!
I didnt wait in line, I walked in and got my ticket for a 12:45pm show not long before it started
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#20 2005-05-19 9:33 pm
- Marc
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suncrusher totally owns the Death Star. It would be awesome to see movies made of various post ep 6 stories, or even Shadows of the Empire that was a kick ass story.
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#21 2005-05-19 9:37 pm
- ConnertheCat
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Re: star wars: episode III reviews/discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS!)
Marc wrote:
suncrusher totally owns the Death Star. It would be awesome to see movies made of various post ep 6 stories, or even Shadows of the Empire that was a kick ass story.
The sun crusher never makes any sense though - not as bad as Coran Horn though. 
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#22 2005-05-19 9:38 pm
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it rocked though
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#23 2005-05-19 9:42 pm
- ConnertheCat
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The Defiant could still take it though. 
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#24 2005-05-19 10:41 pm
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ok now thats just really off topic 
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#25 2005-05-19 10:44 pm
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Re: star wars: episode III reviews/discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS!)
And we go from geeky to just plain dweeby...
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