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how long does it take to build a Death Star anyway? in other words, why would it take like eighteen years (or more) to build the first one and six (or less) to build the second?

The second one was actually already being built simultaneously by Japanese subcontractors. 
Why build one, when you could have two at twice the price?

As far as the Death Star is concerned, I think I remember that a prototype was created. Just the center reactor, basic grid, and super laser. Then the Death Star seen in ANH was created separate. And if I recall, I thought that the second Death Star in ROTJ was already being created as the first one became operational.

jhota wrote:

5. are you telling me every clone just blindly obeyed the order to kill the Jedi? it takes free will and creativity to make the best soldiers - there wasn't one clone that said, "uh-uh. i've fought beside Master <whoever> for <x> years, and i'm not going to shoot him/her in the back 'cause some politician says so." it seems the Jedi order would be the best type of commanders and would earn the love and respect of their troops, clones or no.

Remember, in AOTC, the Caminoans explain that the clones are genetically engineered to follow any order, from their superiors, without question.

Lukelucas wrote:

second, when palpatine/sidious was talking about the sith lord (who i assume was his master) being able to create life out of midichlorians... was this a clue about how anakin actually came to be?... remembering in the first film, the whole discussion about him just appearing in his mother's womb... anyone with a deeper knowledge or insight on this?...

I think that line of dialog is there to allude to the notion that Palpatine may have used the force to have Anakin conceived. Knowing what the prophecy said and knowing that he had the power to do it, he may have thought that it was something he could manipulate later. Also, how do we know that Anakin was the only one? What if others were conceived but never discovered. It is a big universe after all.

Marc wrote:

Conner is right though, Liea said she remembered mommie; unless she remembers being pushed out between her mom's legs, then thats messed up

Actually, Leia never actually said she remembered knowing her mom.

ROTJ wrote:

Luke: Leia. Do you remember your mother? Your real mother?
Leia: Just a little bit. She died when I was really young.
Luke: What do you remember?
Leia: Just images really. Feelings.
Luke: Tell me.
Leia: She was very beautiful. Kind, but sad.

(emphasis mine)
Perhaps she saw holograms or pictures of Padme and those are the only memories she has of her.



I think it was really cool that lines are repeated across the saga. Things that Palpatine say to Anakin are the same things that he eventually says to Luke in ROTJ. Things Anakin were saying to Padme, are things he later says to Luke in ESB. They are tied in just right.

This movie now makes Episodes 4,5, & 6 carry new weight. Things mean so much more in those movies now than they did before. Vader no longer looks so manipulative in ESB when he is reaching out to Luke and asking Luke to join him. He is saying the same things that he said to Padme so that he wouldn't loose her. In ROTJ, when Luke begins to attack Vader under the stairs, after Vader threatens to find Leia and turn her, it looks like Luke is about to make the same mistake his father made. When you listen to the music, it sounds like all the voices of all the dead Jedi crying out in sadness as they watch Luke turn to the dark side. For the future person who is seeing it for the first time in order, it looks like Luke is about to fulfill his fathers destiny. Now those redeeming moments when Luke throws his lightsaber away, and when Vader throws Papatine over the ledge have so much more meaning to them.

The movie was great. It is now a complete story.

I don't trust Lucas with that just yet.

There's always gonna be one.

You're in the minority this time buddy, few people liked eps 1 and 2, the reverse is true for 3.

Just got back - loved it.
Thoughts:
Just the one so far - the droids have too much attitude; they give lip back to gen. grevious. the sarcastic line "you welcome" from a driod about 10 minutes in, when a droid gives the general something was just too much. argh.
The dialog was smurf, but this just topped it off.

However, loved the movie - 10 out of 10.

jb

Oh, yeah. Letting Yoda kick ass in Ep. II was a mistake. Knowing he would be one of two Jedis to survive, mean that everyione waqs just waiting out the entire Ep. III for the Yoda-kicks-serious-ass sequence.

The scene with the Imperial Guards kicked ass, though. Best two seconds of the movie.

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ConnertheCat wrote:

Thunderstruck wrote:

There's always gonna be one.

You're in the minority this time buddy, few people liked eps 1 and 2, the reverse is true for 3.

Actually, there are quite a few of us.

I rank the movies as follows (best to worst):

- Phatom
- Empire
- ROTJ
- Sith
- ANH
- Attack of teh Clones

There being "quite a few" of you doesn't mean you're not in the minority.

We're saying most people find episode 3 a much better movie than at least the previous two and a subset of which find it better than episode 5.

Besides, I said you people are in the minority. There may be hundreds of you, thousands of you, whatever, you're still in a minority.

My best to worst are as follows:

1)Revenge of the Sith (AWESOME)
2)Return of the Jedi (If you only had these two movies, I think you would be set)
3)Empire Strikes Back
4)Attack of the Clones
5)Phantom Menace (not a bad movie.  Adds depth to the whole thing IMO, as it is history of the Jedi and the start of the Sith's rise)

ROTS was absolutely great.  My disappointments come from the fact that the beginning had to start fast and finish fast.  Otherwise it would have a Lord of the Rings long movie.  But, in hind sight.  I don't see what would have been so wrong in doing just that.  Get the WHOLE story out.  Tell it all.  This could have been a 4 hour movie in order for you to learn a bit more about Palpatine's master.  I can't remember his name.  Started with a P as well. Some remind me
I think that Anakin and Palpatine should have had a fight.  Right when he figured it out.  It should have instantly became a fight seen.  Where Anakin just goes after him full force and all, while Palpatine defends himself in a way that makes you think he is weak, but knowledge.  Like he talks to Anakin about what he can do for him.  Making him believe he is the better fighter the hole time.  But, convinces him that he needs his knowledge to rule the galaxy the way he wanted the galaxy to be ruled.  Which was given away in AOTC.  Giving Anakin a reason to let him live, and a place for advancement beyond that of what the Jedi allow.  He could be the Master of them all, while ruling them all.  Total power.  But, in the end he falls to Obi-Wan.  And Palpatine saves him.  Proving to Anakin that Palpatine was to keep his word.  That his disbelief in how the Jedi are structured and there ways were not what he believed them to be.  Making the choice to go Sith was the right thing.  And Palpatine would instruct Vader to becoming the most powerful Jedi ever.  Powerful enough to restore life to the dead.  Which to Anakin was the greatest feat one could do. Which he believed, as being the most powerful and all.  "I must obey my Master".  All has meaning now do to this movie.  My loyalties lie with the Republic and the Chancellor.  He truly believed he as doing the right thing.  And he was free to be the Jedi he wanted to be. 

I liked the first 2 EP.  I would love it if they went back further in time.  To the beginning of Yoda, and Mace.   As they are the only two Jedi that was good enough to defeat the dark lord.  Mace was right there to kill him.  If Anakin didn't stop him.  The future would have not happened.  Mace would have been seen as the greatest of Jedi warriors.  To have defeated the Sith Lord.  WOW.  But, in the end.  Anakin did what he was destined to do.  He brought balance to the force.  He killed Dooku.  While Obi killed Grievous.  Anankin killed all the Jedi in the  temple, and Mace Windo.  At the end leaving only Yoda and Obi-Wan.  While on the dark side, we have Lord Sedious, and Vader.  Only 2 on both sides.  Seems pretty balanced to me

However, in the very end.   We are left with only Luke, and his sister. 

I would also like to add that I think Obi-Wan was only able to beat (in PM) Darth Maul, because he was angry.  He slipped towards the dark side in order to defeat Maul.  Which is why I feel he could not defeat Count Dooku.  He wasn't the same at that fight.  He didn't want to kill Dooku.  Not the same way he wanted to kill Maul.  Which is why in the end with the fight between him and Anakin.  He didn't finish the job so to say.  He fought him with all the passion and rage as he fought Maul.  But, didn't want to lose Anakin.  He had to do what was right by fighting him and defeating him.  But, he didn't want to kill him out right.  Almost like he wasn't the one in the end to kill Anakin.  The lava did.  Takes the blame off himself by doing so.  He defeated him, and that was what he set out to do.  The Jedi way I suppose.  Which is also why Anakin could defeat Dooku the second time.  He was enraged, he was slipping to the Dark side, and he was more powerful then Dooku.  He just needed a reason to slip further into the darkness in order to kill Dooku. 

Just my 2c

Last edited by dj phat 2000 (2005-05-20 12:02 pm)

Okay... so I'm off to see it tonight.  Thanks for all the info.

I'm one of those weird people who doesn't mind actually knowing what is going to happen when I am watching a movie for the first time.  It makes it easy to pick up on other subtleties while watching.

Anywho, I called my wife and asked "So who wants to go see a movie tonight?"

"I do" she replies

She never even asked, "What movie?"  Which can only mean one of two things:  She already knows what movie or she just enjoys my company.

I'm thinking it's a little bit of both.

ConnertheCat wrote:

SpacemanSpiff wrote:

I'm one of those weird people who doesn't mind actually knowing what is going to happen when I am watching a movie for the first time.  It makes it easy to pick up on other subtleties while watching.

Well, it's not like you didn't know what was going to happen - another gripe I have with the movie.  They couldn't have thrown one twist in there?

Exactly.

But one thing I didn't know about was the "Jedi Holocaust".  So knowing that it is in there was a surprise.  I had thought all the Jedi simple got plucked off because they weren't "that strong" anymore.  I had no idea of the intentionality (is that a word?) of it all.

Anyway, I figure it should be a good show, anyway.

Well that seals it for me then.

A the end of tonights show I'm off to the video store for the other 5.  I may not be a "real" fan but Heck I can at least sound like one.

Which reminds me... did everyone catch the Foxtrot strips related to Episode 3 a week or so ago?

"I sense a great disurbance in your force."

SpacemanSpiff wrote:

Well that seals it for me then.

A the end of tonights show I'm off to the video store for the other 5.  I may not be a "real" fan but Heck I can at least sound like one.

Which reminds me... did everyone catch the Foxtrot strips related to Episode 3 a week or so ago?

"I sense a great disurbance in your force."

Jason: "You were a Star Wars fan before I was?" *shocked*
Dad: "Search your feelings, you know it to be true" *rolls eyes*
Jason: "NOOOOOO!"