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Well here I am inside the theater posting from my BlackBerry because.... Well, because I can.

Okay the movie is about to start. w00t!

"The force is strong with this one."

ConnertheCat wrote:

jb wrote:

ConnertheCat wrote:

Actually, there are quite a few of us.

I rank the movies as follows (best to worst):

- Phatom
- Empire
- ROTJ
- Sith
- ANH
- Attack of teh Clones

There being "quite a few" of you doesn't mean you're not in the minority.

Are you saying the majority is always right?

No.
I was saying this:

Thunderstruck wrote:

I said you people are in the minority. There may be hundreds of you, thousands of you, whatever, you're still in a minority.

You were saying that there were many of you, as if that refuted the fact that you were in the minority.

Well here I am inside the theater posting from my BlackBerry because.... Well, because I can.

Okay the movie is about to start. w00t!

"The force is strong with this one."

I liked the movie and much of what has been said here is pretty true. Stilted dialog is a Lucas Specialty. Harrison Ford once told Lucas: "George, you can write this smurf but you can't say it."

And his directing skills do leave a lot to be desired. Like the previous films, he has too many plates in the air and too many visuals destracting you from the plot. Like the old saying, if you can't impress them with quality, Dazzle them with bullsmurf.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the score. I am a film score buff and Star Wars is what got me going on the whole thing. The first films scores where classics, especially, ANH & ESB.

However with the new series lucas seems to have gotten cheap. For starters, the end of the films used to have Williams writing a whole suite incorpotating the themes of that instalment. Very nice.

In the new series, they are put together with tracks from the score of the film, edited together haphazardly like the rest of the movie, this was a really cheap way to go. Worse, the last two films reused tracks from the previous films in place of a new score being used. Kind of like an old Star trek episode where stock music from other episodes where resused.

Some of this may be because of Lucas's method of filmaking now means he reshoots scenes after principal photogrophy is over. Even to the point of writing new scenes and putting those in as he sees holes in the movie.  The score of the film probably could not be locked because he was tinkering with the film for so long. And Williams is a busy man.

That is the only thing i can think of other than he is a cheap bastard.

I lend some creadance to that in some respects that in the other films he used the cheapest people to create the creatures for the movies making some really cheesey looking makeups and aliens. Hell, the worst was the Emporers make up from jedi which had to be recreated for this movie. only executed well this time. If you look back in Jedi when the Emperor gets off his ship at the begining of the movie you can see the makeup coming off his chin in all the shots!

R2-D2 delivers much pwnge in Episode III.

Episodes 4,5 and 6 repeat a lot of the same music as well - and I for one like "Duel of Fates".
Conner the cat

Actually that is not what I said at all. All of the movies used "themes" and motiffs throughout that where introduced in one of the other movies. What I said was they took the actuall track not the same music and reochestrated it, but the actual recording and used it over. These tracks where written for a specific scene in the other movies and here they where just being used over like and old laugh track.

That is what I am objecting to. Not the reuse of thematic elements of the series's scores. That is expected and a wanted thing. It ties the series together.

What they did was a cheat.

Actually, I didnt think it was cheesy at all.

This is the moment where Anakin Skywalker is gone, and Vader is born.  Palpatine probably saw the entire thing... he knew Anakin had foresight of her death, and gave him the final temptation to the dark side in a promise to teach him how to saave her.  I think palpatine knew exactly what would happen, and that Padme's death would finally seal Anakin to the dark side.

That agonized, heart rending yell was the last of Anakin Skywalker.  Funny that the most honest emotion from Anakin came through the voice of James Earl Jones, instead of from HC.

The more I think about it, the more fitting the end of Episode III is.

Warin wrote:

Actually, I didnt think it was cheesy at all.
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That agonized, heart rending yell was the last of Anakin Skywalker.  Funny that the most honest emotion from Anakin came through the voice of James Earl Jones, instead of from HC.

I totally disagree.

pastor macman wrote:

Marc wrote:

Conner is right though, Liea said she remembered mommie; unless she remembers being pushed out between her mom's legs, then thats messed up

Actually, Leia never actually said she remembered knowing her mom.

ROTJ wrote:

Luke: Leia. Do you remember your mother? Your real mother?
Leia: Just a little bit. She died when I was really young.
Luke: What do you remember?
Leia: Just images really. Feelings.
Luke: Tell me.
Leia: She was very beautiful. Kind, but sad.

(emphasis mine)
Perhaps she saw holograms or pictures of Padme and those are the only memories she has of her.

I'm with you here, but I'm going to take it a bit further.  I think Leia is actually stronger in the force than Luke - the feelings, images, memories of Padme she has were prenatal, gleaned from her mother's mind and from the minds of those around her via the force.

Problems:
- The dialogue between Anakin and Padme... left something to be desired. I'm being kind, I think.

- I had a problem with the representation of time during this movie.  Either Padme went from being pregnant/not showing to giving birth in under a week, or the events of the movie took place over a period of several months.  I'm thinking it's the latter, but Padme's pregnancy was NOT enough of an indicator to make it apparent during the movie.  Hell, if you don't judge by how far along Padme is it makes it look like Anakin went over to the dark side on a whim after five minutes thinking about it.  "I've been with my brother, Obi Wan, for nearly 20 years, but you must be right, Mr. Sith.  He's lying to me.  How did I fail to notice it before now?" 

- How long did it take for the Millenium Falcon to get from Tattoine to the place where Alderaan used to be?  Isn't it like the fastest ship ever?  And yet the emperor's shuttle made it from Corusant to the outer rim in about five minutes to save what was left of Anakin. A little consistency, please.

- Medical technology progresses... except for Vader.  Luke loses a hand, the rebellion immediately provides him with a brand new hand that looks completely lifelike.  Sign me up for that HMO.  Yet Vader is still wearing the same damn mechanical suit from 20 years earlier.  All the resources of the entire galactic empire at his disposal... and he never gets an upgrade?  Sure, he looks pretty bad-smurf in his suit, but still - the Empire's health care plan SUCKS.

- "Yes, honey. I slaughtered those younglings like they were fattened lambs. Should've heard them squeal, too.  And I did it for you!"  And they say romance is dead.

And yet I really liked it.
- Anyone else notice Obi Wan collecting Luke's lightsabre?  There were lots of cool little items like that connecting this movie to the others.  Is THAT why 3P0 doesn't recognize Obi Wan?
- Yoda, sensing all of the horrors from light-years away and being unable to do anything about it.
- Yoda & the Royal Guards. "No, don't want to talk to you. Take a nap. *thump*." 
- Grevious was pretty bad ass.
- "Mithter Skywalker! Mithter Skywalker! We're cute, we trust you, and there are too many of them! What are we to do?"  When Vader gets his dark side on, Vader REALLY gets his dark side on.  No half-way measures for him.

oatmeal wrote:

I had a problem with the representation of time during this movie.  Either Padme went from being pregnant/not showing to giving birth in under a week, or the events of the movie took place over a period of several months.  I'm thinking it's the latter, but Padme's pregnancy was NOT enough of an indicator to make it apparent during the movie.  Hell, if you don't judge by how far along Padme is it makes it look like Anakin went over to the dark side on a whim after five minutes thinking about it

Anakin's been away since the clone wars so Padme would've been pregnant for quite some months (watch the clone wars cartoon series). In several long shots, you can see padme's bulging belly and the pregnancy seems pretty advanced.

Anakin actually went over to the dark side after literally barely one minute between cutting Windu's hand and agreeing to Palpatine's offer.

The problem, Lucas feels the need to make the actors talk too much. I can forgive C3PO saying the stress line (he is a droid after all) but from Padme? Another weird line from Padme was the she won't believe...can't believe thing. She must like to talk to herself a lot, must come from hanging around Jar Jar.

So Lucas gets everyone all stupified by having dialogue that constantly pounds what the characters are feeling into your head that when he stops doing it you completely miss some of the more subtle stuff.

Is it just me or is it the second time the twilek jedi got shot in the back?

Yeah.