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#1 2005-05-22 5:46 am

BrianFriel
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Cutouts - Best Technique?

Just a quick question on the best tool to make cutouts.
Extract Tool, Pen and Quick Mask or a plugin like Fluid Mask?

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#2 2005-05-22 12:29 pm

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Re: Cutouts - Best Technique?

I'm assuming you're referring to photoshop. Also, i think that plugin you referred to isn't available until next month.

Anyway, it depends on what you're cutting out. And do you want to cut something out, or make a clipping path?

If you're needing a clipping path, you're usually better off with the pen tool. it's slow, but you will end up with better paths that look more professional.

If you're looking to knock out backgrounds and such, i'd recommend the wand tool (turn 'contiguous' off) and quick mask. use those to select the background/unwanted elements. invert the selection and make a layer mask. that leaves you with the most flexibility.

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#3 2005-05-22 2:25 pm

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Re: Cutouts - Best Technique?

There's Corel Knockout 2, but I don't know which is better between the two.


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#4 2005-05-25 2:28 am

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Re: Cutouts - Best Technique?

The best tool depends on what you require the end result to be.

I found knockout to be more bother than it is worth. If you really have got a lot of time and the image is for the front cover of Vogue, then it may be worth it IMHO. The extract tool is fine for a quick cutout for certain types of image, as is quick mask.

Call me old fashioned, but I generally stick to the pen tool.


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#5 2005-05-29 7:42 am

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Re: Cutouts - Best Technique?

I haven't tried Knockout, but thought Fluid Mask looked a little more user-friendly.  I take it though that no one thinks much of using plugins anyway.

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#6 2005-05-29 3:15 pm

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Re: Cutouts - Best Technique?

that fluid mask looks cool, i would like to try it out and see how really good it is.

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#7 2005-06-01 12:57 am

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Re: Cutouts - Best Technique?

For what i do it dosent work that well. Not good for motocross pictures!

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#8 2005-07-21 6:20 am

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Re: Cutouts - Best Technique?

As an update to earlier posts, I've been playing around with the Fluid Mask plugin for the past few days out of curiosity now that it's finally been released http://www.vertustech.com/fm_freetrial.htm so what follows is a quick review of sorts.

What I've found especially useful about the software is the region editor.  It allows you to fine tune the mask selections you've made, sort colors, reduce or expand the color range on a pixel by pixel basis and assign those colors into the three masking areas: keep, delete or complex (edges between your keep and delete sections).

You can use the familiar Pencil or Brush Tool to pick up or remove areas or use a Pen style tool to adjust edges pixel by pixel along a path. However the software does such a good job of automatically finding edges on its own with its One-Mask function that you'll hardly have to use the this tool to tweak it.

Unfortunately, I don't think the plugin is aimed at the home user which explains the $400 asking price which is a pity since its the accuracy and ease of use that would most appeal to this market.

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#9 2005-07-21 8:48 am

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Re: Cutouts - Best Technique?

Yeah, I still prefer the paintbrush and quickmask mode... and then fine tune on the layer mask. The best words of advice are to just take your time. It is not something that can be rushed and it will make you crazy...

I got some crap back from a photographer a couple weeks ago that was just horrendous. The gal here that contracted it seemed offended that I called the guys work sub-par... it was really, really, bad.

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#10 2005-07-22 8:17 am

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Re: Cutouts - Best Technique?

LOL. Reminds me of an old Jack Handey quote.
"Laurie got offended when I used the word "puke," but to me, that's what her food tasted like."

I'm with you. I mask by hand. I start with the lasso tool for the easy lines. Maybe feather it a pixel or 2. Then touch up hair/leaves/whatnot with the brushes.

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#11 2005-09-27 6:01 am

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Re: Cutouts - Best Technique?

BrianFriel wrote:

Unfortunately, I don't think the plugin is aimed at the home user which explains the $400 asking price which is a pity since its the accuracy and ease of use that would most appeal to this market.

It looks like the Fluid Mask developers have dropped their price down to $249 and added a further 6 months worth of free upgrades so you now get them for a year.

Makes sense I suppose.

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#12 2005-09-27 7:29 am

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Re: Cutouts - Best Technique?

destalk wrote:

The best tool depends on what you require the end result to be.

I found knockout to be more bother than it is worth. If you really have got a lot of time and the image is for the front cover of Vogue, then it may be worth it IMHO. The extract tool is fine for a quick cutout for certain types of image, as is quick mask.

Call me old fashioned, but I generally stick to the pen tool.

Very good points. For me, Knockout IS the best tool for very complicated cut-outs (hair etc) but like you say, it involves a very complicated learning curve, and can be overkill for simpler projects.

And even then, I don't use it as it tells you too "on the box", I use it to start the Layer Mask that will be used to produce the cut-out. A combination of techniques is required to achieve the best results though, Knockout, Quickmask with Airbrush etc etc )

And as to your final point, I just took a look at Vertustech's website, and the majority of samples in the gallery of before and after images require nothing more than a good eye and the Pen Tool!

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