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It's all very well to moralize, but life, alas, is all too complicated.

And it's not just conservatives who need to realize this.

Wayyyy back in college, I had a friend who got pregnant and had an abortion. I'd never given much thought to abortion either way up until then (it was never a topic of discussion at all through high school) and so my first real exposure to it was a young woman who was utterly wracked over getting the procedure. She cried over it for days before and days after. She and her boyfriend were both a mess over the whole thing but they knew they weren't at all ready, emotionally, financially, to have and support a kid. (They eventually married and had - last time I heard - at least three kids.)

I've never had the impression, ever, that people just cavalierly hop over to the local abortion clinic and get the procedure done with nary a thought. I've since know a couple more women who have had them and they are always a messy, emotional decision.

It's simply not my place and in my opinion, anyone ELSE'S place to go moralize in these people's faces when they're in the midst of making a life-altering choice like this. It's their body, they are going to have to live with the decision to have or not have a baby, that's hard enough either way.

I'm pro-choice, but I thank the gods daily that I've never been called upon to make that particular choice. It sickens me when the "pro-life" crowd equates freedom of choice with being pro-abortion. It couldn't be further from the truth.

Spoken like a real man, Nokx.  Which of course makes you wholly unqualified to tell a woman what she can do with her body.

Troutski wrote:

Spoken like a real man, Nokx.  Which of course makes you wholly unqualified to tell a woman what she can do with her body.

you totally missed the point of my post.

"her body", yes...  but how quick we forget about the other body that's involved in this.  the one with no voice.  where does it get to decide what happens in this whole process?

secondly, the "story" was a prime example of abortion used as birth control.  most of you all claim you disaprove of abortion being used as such, correct?  yet you're quick to bash me when i point that little tid-bit out.

punkgeek wrote:

It's such a shame you'll never know what it's like to have to go through with such a painful decision.

have women lost the ability to make the decision to have sex or not?  (in specific response to the article above)

and i've heard many testimonies of women who have had abortions where years later they regret it fully.  my ex-girlfriend's cousin had 3 abortions by the time she was 21.  that's irresponsability, not pro-choice.

NokX wrote:

[you totally missed the point of my post.

"her body", yes...  but how quick we forget about the other body that's involved in this.  the one with no voice.  where does it get to decide what happens in this whole process?

secondly, the "story" was a prime example of abortion used as birth control.  most of you all claim you disaprove of abortion being used as such, correct?  yet you're quick to bash me when i point that little tid-bit out.

have women lost the ability to make the decision to have sex or not?  (in specific response to the article above)

and i've heard many testimonies of women who have had abortions where years later they regret it fully.  my ex-girlfriend's cousin had 3 abortions by the time she was 21.  that's irresponsability, not pro-choice.

How are people forgetting the "other body?" Isnt that the problem? Does the other body have rights? Ability to live independent of the birth mother? If the life is biologically dependent on the birth mother, then the decisions made regarding that life are also dependent on the mother. You cant escape biology- its the way God made us.

punkgeek wrote:

NokX wrote:

and i've heard many testimonies of women who have had abortions where years later they regret it fully.  my ex-girlfriend's cousin had 3 abortions by the time she was 21.  that's irresponsability, not pro-choice.

Call it whatever you want. You obviously lack any compassion for women who've made mistakes, because you'd rather judge them for their "irresponsibility". I only hope when you make a mistake one day, that those close to you certainly don't judge you for it. Good luck buddy.

Did it ever occur to you that women who now 'regret it fully' regret it because of people like you? Because of people who call these same women 'murderers'? Maybe if there wasn't such a hostile reaction to the issue of abortion, maybe these women wouldn't be beating themselves up over it years later.

i'm not siding with those who bash people who have abortions.  and besides that, people need some self responsibility.  if my girlfriend got pregnant i would be a man and care for our child.  period.  no questions or excuses.

and apparently you didn't read "Jane Roe's" testimony as to why she changed her stance.

"women who've made mistakes"...

i have compassion, but i focus it on the child who's life is endangered.  not the girl who chose to have sex.  and if she's lady enough to have sex, she should be lady enough to mother a child.  people have some growing up to do.  not a "well, this is an inconvinience to me - get it out of my life" attitude.

StaticAge wrote:

NokX wrote:

[you totally missed the point of my post.

"her body", yes...  but how quick we forget about the other body that's involved in this.  the one with no voice.  where does it get to decide what happens in this whole process?

secondly, the "story" was a prime example of abortion used as birth control.  most of you all claim you disaprove of abortion being used as such, correct?  yet you're quick to bash me when i point that little tid-bit out.

have women lost the ability to make the decision to have sex or not?  (in specific response to the article above)

and i've heard many testimonies of women who have had abortions where years later they regret it fully.  my ex-girlfriend's cousin had 3 abortions by the time she was 21.  that's irresponsability, not pro-choice.

How are people forgetting the "other body?" Isnt that the problem? Does the other body have rights? Ability to live independent of the birth mother? If the life is biologically dependent on the birth mother, then the decisions made regarding that life are also dependent on the mother. You cant escape biology- its the way God made us.

a 1 year old can't live independently from the birth mother.  should we make abortions legal until they're the age of 3?

i just pray some of you all wake up and realize that a life is being ended during this process.

Pundit Guy wrote:

I worked in the communications department of a Planned Parenthood administrative office. We had bomb drills instead of fire drills, and it was no great secret that some of the protesters outside our offices had had abortions.

Now, while Noxious may think this is a sign of "repenting" on their part, I've got another theory.

You see, their circumstances were different. They know for a fact that PPs exist so that loose, poor women can abort babies on a whim. But these protesters weren't like that at all -- they're from good backgrounds, they don't sleep around much, but they can't have children right now for a variety of very good reasons. So it's okay for them to have abortions, and then get right back into the protest lines to keep those "other" women from killing their babies.

There's a fine line between repenting and hypocrisy. It's the kind of thinking that allows a 41-year-old to have a "youthful indiscretion," a coke-snorting chief executive to continue a failed drug policy, and abortion protestors to have abortions.

any type of protest that lowers itself to death threats or name calling is never a good protest - period.

however - what is the problem with listening to those who have gone through the process?  those who have had abortions and regretted it?

NokX wrote:

a 1 year old can't live independently from the birth mother.  should we make abortions legal until they're the age of 3?

Um, yes they can. There are many single fathers out there as well as adoptive parents and many foster care providers.

NokX wrote:

i have compassion, but i focus it on the child who's life is endangered.  not the girl who chose to have sex.

That is discrimination. Not really very loving actually.

Let's compromise.

Abortion only if the postprespective couple agrees to eat the fetus. Tastefully prepared by a world-class chef, of course.

Agreed?

StaticAge wrote:

NokX wrote:

a 1 year old can't live independently from the birth mother.  should we make abortions legal until they're the age of 3?

Um, yes they can. There are many single fathers out there as well as adoptive parents and many foster care providers.

so why kill the kids in the womb?

StaticAge wrote:

NokX wrote:

i have compassion, but i focus it on the child who's life is endangered.  not the girl who chose to have sex.

That is discrimination. Not really very loving actually.

loving your wife more than other women is discrimination.  discrimination isn't always a bad thing.

i feel sorry for the girl who became pregnant and wasn't planning on having a child until later on in life, but she made a choice and consequences (good and bad) follow.  you have to grow up and be responsible.