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#1 2005-05-28 3:03 am
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Who's really free?
Iranians are free to dance in the street in protest, burning American flags and effigies of Bush.
What would happen to an American if he burned an American flag and effigy in front of the White House in protest?
It would not be tolerated.
Of course, those Iranians probably can't protest their own government in such a manner in their streets either.....
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#2 2005-05-28 7:20 am
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Re: Who's really free?
We are currently in a pretty oppresive time for public protests but I think the pendulum will swing back in a few years.
There are signs the NeoCons are already falling out a favour with their extreme, comformist nationalism.
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#3 2005-05-28 9:38 am
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Re: Who's really free?
Flag burning (ours) has been ruled as protected free speech. You may get crap from private individuals but the law can't touch you as long as you have a permit or do it on your own property.
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#4 2005-05-28 10:19 am
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Re: Who's really free?
hmmm, what would happen if I was in Iran and I burned a koran and/or flushed it down the toilet?
Which reaction would be worse? Just wondering.
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#5 2005-05-28 10:54 am
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Re: Who's really free?
everlong205 wrote:
hmmm, what would happen if I was in Iran and I burned a koran and/or flushed it down the toilet?
Any reason why you want to do that?
1. Instill fear.
2. ???????? (use your imagination)
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#6 2005-05-28 11:03 am
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Re: Who's really free?
Feel free to dance in the street as protest, burning Iranian flags and effigies of the Rahbar. I won't complain.
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#7 2005-05-28 3:22 pm
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Re: Who's really free?
Can you be free? Does it exist?
You always got people which make you never really free.
Be it on the street (police), home (wife), work (boss) etc.
It's almost not possbile to be free.
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#8 2005-05-28 3:50 pm
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Re: Who's really free?
mahakali wrote:
everlong205 wrote:
hmmm, what would happen if I was in Iran and I burned a koran and/or flushed it down the toilet?
Any reason why you want to do that?
Burn our flag in front of me, and I'll burn your most sacred artifact in front of you... tit for tat...
Don't like it, I don't care... it's protected under freedom of speech.
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#9 2005-05-28 4:00 pm
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Re: Who's really free?
Cyberpawz wrote:
mahakali wrote:
everlong205 wrote:
hmmm, what would happen if I was in Iran and I burned a koran and/or flushed it down the toilet?
Any reason why you want to do that?
Burn our flag in front of me, and I'll burn your most sacred artifact in front of you... tit for tat...
Don't like it, I don't care... it's protected under freedom of speech.
So, why haven't you done that? Why no 'tit for tat'? You're not in the spirit.
1. Instill fear.
2. ???????? (use your imagination)
3. Profit!
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#10 2005-05-28 4:08 pm
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Re: Who's really free?
Iranians can burn the american flag, and dance in the street and burn effigies of george Bush. Can they burn the Iranian flag and burn effigies of the mullahs in power? I wonder how that would go over.
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#11 2005-05-28 4:13 pm
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Re: Who's really free?
mahakali wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
mahakali wrote:
Any reason why you want to do that?Burn our flag in front of me, and I'll burn your most sacred artifact in front of you... tit for tat...
Don't like it, I don't care... it's protected under freedom of speech.So, why haven't you done that? Why no 'tit for tat'? You're not in the spirit.
Oh I'm in the mood too, I just haven't found anyone to do it in front of...
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#12 2005-05-28 4:18 pm
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Re: Who's really free?
Let's now take a moment of silence and wonder if we can burn effigies of our employers in front of them.
1. Instill fear.
2. ???????? (use your imagination)
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#13 2005-05-28 4:19 pm
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Re: Who's really free?
Cyberpawz wrote:
mahakali wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
Burn our flag in front of me, and I'll burn your most sacred artifact in front of you... tit for tat...
Don't like it, I don't care... it's protected under freedom of speech.So, why haven't you done that? Why no 'tit for tat'? You're not in the spirit.
Oh I'm in the mood too, I just haven't found anyone to do it in front of...
Aren't you in MA? You can easily find an Iranian there.
1. Instill fear.
2. ???????? (use your imagination)
3. Profit!
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#14 2005-05-28 4:26 pm
Re: Who's really free?
Cyberpawz wrote:
mahakali wrote:
everlong205 wrote:
hmmm, what would happen if I was in Iran and I burned a koran and/or flushed it down the toilet?
Any reason why you want to do that?
Burn our flag in front of me, and I'll burn your most sacred artifact in front of you... tit for tat...
Don't like it, I don't care... it's protected under freedom of speech.
the american flag is your most sacred artifact?
wow.
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#15 2005-05-28 4:49 pm
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Re: Who's really free?
Cyberpawz wrote:
mahakali wrote:
everlong205 wrote:
hmmm, what would happen if I was in Iran and I burned a koran and/or flushed it down the toilet?
Any reason why you want to do that?
Burn our flag in front of me, and I'll burn your most sacred artifact in front of you... tit for tat...
Don't like it, I don't care... it's protected under freedom of speech.
Committing vandalism and/or property destruction by burning another person's "sacred artifact" would not be protected by free speech. That's why most flag burners burn their own flags.
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#16 2005-05-28 7:27 pm
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Re: Who's really free?
Cyberpawz wrote:
mahakali wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
Burn our flag in front of me, and I'll burn your most sacred artifact in front of you... tit for tat...
Don't like it, I don't care... it's protected under freedom of speech.So, why haven't you done that? Why no 'tit for tat'? You're not in the spirit.
Oh I'm in the mood too, I just haven't found anyone to do it in front of...
Just haven't gotten around to it yet, eh?
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#17 2005-05-28 8:02 pm
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Re: Who's really free?
Sternum wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
mahakali wrote:
Any reason why you want to do that?Burn our flag in front of me, and I'll burn your most sacred artifact in front of you... tit for tat...
Don't like it, I don't care... it's protected under freedom of speech.Committing vandalism and/or property destruction by burning another person's "sacred artifact" would not be protected by free speech. That's why most flag burners burn their own flags.
And you are telling me that the US flag isn't a sacred symbol to some people within the US?
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#18 2005-05-28 8:57 pm
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Re: Who's really free?
Cyberpawz wrote:
Sternum wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
Burn our flag in front of me, and I'll burn your most sacred artifact in front of you... tit for tat...
Don't like it, I don't care... it's protected under freedom of speech.Committing vandalism and/or property destruction by burning another person's "sacred artifact" would not be protected by free speech. That's why most flag burners burn their own flags.
And you are telling me that the US flag isn't a sacred symbol to some people within the US?
No, as far as I know no one worships the US. If you do then you should probably be put in a mental asylum.
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#19 2005-05-28 9:16 pm
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soulcrusher wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
Sternum wrote:
Committing vandalism and/or property destruction by burning another person's "sacred artifact" would not be protected by free speech. That's why most flag burners burn their own flags.And you are telling me that the US flag isn't a sacred symbol to some people within the US?
No, as far as I know no one worships the US. If you do then you should probably be put in a mental asylum.
Did I say worship the flag?
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#20 2005-05-28 9:39 pm
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Re: Who's really free?
Cyberpawz wrote:
soulcrusher wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
And you are telling me that the US flag isn't a sacred symbol to some people within the US?No, as far as I know no one worships the US. If you do then you should probably be put in a mental asylum.
Did I say worship the flag?
Pretty much:
pawz wrote:
Burn our flag in front of me, and I'll burn your most sacred artifact in front of you
You equated the flag with "most sacred artifact".
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#21 2005-05-28 9:51 pm
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KingFred wrote:
Cyberpawz wrote:
soulcrusher wrote:
No, as far as I know no one worships the US. If you do then you should probably be put in a mental asylum.Did I say worship the flag?
Pretty much:
pawz wrote:
Burn our flag in front of me, and I'll burn your most sacred artifact in front of you
You equated the flag with "most sacred artifact".
The flag is the symbol of our country, it's strength, it's perseverance, an all the sacrifice the military and non military have given to keep this country what it is...
The American flag, to me is more important than any religion in the world... for the idea behind the flag, is the reason why people can choose their religion, and to practice it freely, and not be punished for it. The freedom of religion is only protected by the flag they desecrate when they practice their freedom of speech.
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#22 2005-05-28 10:10 pm
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And you are telling me that the US flag isn't a sacred symbol to some people within the US?
So you're telling me
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#23 2005-05-28 10:15 pm
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Re: Who's really free?
It seems he's using sacred in more of a metaphorical or symbolic sense... It seems kinda crazy to me to actually want to honor a flag so much though.
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#24 2005-05-28 10:57 pm
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mo' ron wrote:
It seems he's using sacred in more of a metaphorical or symbolic sense... It seems kinda crazy to me to actually want to honor a flag so much though.
KingFred wrote:
pawz wrote:
And you are telling me that the US flag isn't a sacred symbol to some people within the US?
So you're telling me
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#25 2005-05-28 11:02 pm
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You advocated holding the flag higher than religion. If I were a real Christian, that would be blasphemy.
The flag is a piece of cloth that symbolizes a country. I can understand having a respect for the flag, and no wanting to see it dishonored, but I can't understand holding to such a high degree as you seem to want to.
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