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#26 2005-06-01 9:51 pm
- gildin
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Re: VLC to die?
SchmoBurger wrote:
BASTARDS!!!! VLC IS THE ONLY WAY I HAVE OF PLAYING DVDS ON MY G3 AND MY POWERBOOK...
DOWN WITH THE FACSHIST PIGS!!!!!!!!!
...you misspelled "facist"... 
On another note, I hope that none of the players go away. I hate the interfaces on VLC and Mplayer, but I do use them a lot.
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#27 2005-06-01 11:05 pm
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Re: VLC to die?
I come from Australia... We spell everything wierd down here
US : Oz
Eg. color = colour
check= cheque
jail = gaol
president =lamewad
...and so forth.
On that note though, at least we Aussies drive on the correct side of the road... 
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#28 2005-06-01 11:10 pm
Re: VLC to die?
SchmoBurger wrote:
BASTARDS!!!! VLC IS THE ONLY WAY I HAVE OF PLAYING DVDS ON MY G3 AND MY POWERBOOK...
DOWN WITH THE FACSHIST PIGS!!!!!!!!!
Well, hopefully OS upgrades don't bust the current version of VLC on you until you have a machine the can handle Apple DVD Player operating at the quality you would like it to.
I personally keep backup copies of all the installers for the working useful software I download.
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#29 2005-06-02 2:35 am
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Re: VLC to die?
So do I, but VLC is still kinda buggy, so I'd like to see it developed to perfection, rather than be killed in it's tracks.
In theory, my tower can handle DVD player, but it doesn't have the DVD decoder card in it, so I need a player that software-decodes, and VLC happens to fit the bill. As for the PB, I'll be buggered if I'm gonna pay 80-odd bucks for an Apple DVD decoder PC-Card...
Besides, I have no intent of shafting the G3 as my main Mac for at least another year to come... it's just too good a machine 
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Powerbook G3, 400mhz, 384mb, 40Gb, DVD-ROM, Firewire, X.3.6.
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#30 2005-06-02 3:35 am
Re: VLC to die?
Thunderstruck wrote:
Short Circuit wrote:
These are the official ones, so n it wont affect them. But you wont be able to play wmd files in anything apart from what M$ makes.
So MS can make a player that will accept WMD files? The US goverment and military can't even find them!
I knew it. They should have been going after Redmond, not Iraq.
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#31 2005-06-02 7:09 am
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Re: VLC to die?
Why, I though everyone knew that WMV were WMDs in disguise
Lets bomb Redmond
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#32 2005-06-02 7:21 am
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Re: VLC to die?
YES, YES.... LET'SSSSS!!!!!!!!!! 
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Powerbook G3, 400mhz, 384mb, 40Gb, DVD-ROM, Firewire, X.3.6.
Franken-iMac G3 Blueberry, 400mhz, 64mb, 10Gb, CD-ROM, 9.2.2... SOON TO BE SOUPED UP AND RUNNING TIGER!
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#33 2005-06-02 9:49 am
Re: VLC to die?
Outkast wrote:
Don't pull the thang out, unless you plan to bang
Bombs over Redmond!
Yea! Ha yea!
Don't even bang, unless you plan to hit something
Bombs over Redmond!
Yea! Uh-huh!
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#34 2005-06-02 11:05 am
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Re: VLC to die?
ScifiterX: Didn't know any QT plugins existed (well, I knew divx did anyways...) for those formats. And apparently the divx plugin adds avi support...
But QT can't do fullscreen w/o Pro... and it doesn't support ogm/mkv, but you did mention that. And even though, the plguins you linked to are based on opensource software that's affected by this patent...
So either way, it'd be really bad if this patent was passed. 
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#35 2005-06-02 4:49 pm
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Re: VLC to die?
And one more thing; one of those codecs insists on placing the mouse cursor at the very top; it floats ABOVE the creensaver!
And a few games too. VLC rules... (but it plays crappy AC3 audio, and sometime not at all)
(And QuickTime does not support subtitles)
W
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#36 2005-06-02 6:51 pm
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Re: VLC to die?
SchmoBurger wrote:
In theory, my tower can handle DVD player, but it doesn't have the DVD decoder card in it, so I need a player that software-decodes, and VLC happens to fit the bill.
Apple's DVD player software-decodes. At least, that's the impression I got when I Googled "dvd decoder card apple". And searched Apple support.
It looked like Apple moved to software decoding with the OS X transition.
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#37 2005-06-02 7:16 pm
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Re: VLC to die?
skymt wrote:
SchmoBurger wrote:
In theory, my tower can handle DVD player, but it doesn't have the DVD decoder card in it, so I need a player that software-decodes, and VLC happens to fit the bill.
Apple's DVD player software-decodes. At least, that's the impression I got when I Googled "dvd decoder card apple". And searched Apple support.
It looked like Apple moved to software decoding with the OS X transition.
Here's a question: Why do a lot of animated DVDs (for example Clerks: Uncensored and Batman: TAS) look like absolute crap on both my G4 Cube (OS 9 using DVD Player) and my eMac (OS X using both DVD Player and VLC)?
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#38 2005-06-02 8:05 pm
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Re: VLC to die?
pirloui wrote:
Patents sucks... really...
what a well thought out, insightful argument
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#39 2005-06-02 8:23 pm
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Re: VLC to die?
skymt wrote:
SchmoBurger wrote:
In theory, my tower can handle DVD player, but it doesn't have the DVD decoder card in it, so I need a player that software-decodes, and VLC happens to fit the bill.
Apple's DVD player software-decodes. At least, that's the impression I got when I Googled "dvd decoder card apple". And searched Apple support.
It looked like Apple moved to software decoding with the OS X transition.
I think the DVD decoder card was used in the Power Mac G3 line (beige and B&W) and aren't recognized uder OS X.
I have a radeon 7000 on a Beige G3 and before I installed 10.2.8, DVD menus weren't very fast. After that, they play just as well as any other part of the DVD. More recent macs use Hardware decoding on DVDs, and thats mostly handled by the Video Cards.
brian_reilly, I think the main reason why animated DVDs don't look good is because they are being scaled up from their default 640X480 (Or something like that).
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#40 2005-06-02 9:18 pm
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Re: VLC to die?
Booksley wrote:
But QT can't do fullscreen w/o Pro...
It can with iTunes 4.8
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#41 2005-06-03 3:45 am
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Re: VLC to die?
skymt wrote:
SchmoBurger wrote:
In theory, my tower can handle DVD player, but it doesn't have the DVD decoder card in it, so I need a player that software-decodes, and VLC happens to fit the bill.
Apple's DVD player software-decodes. At least, that's the impression I got when I Googled "dvd decoder card apple". And searched Apple support.
It looked like Apple moved to software decoding with the OS X transition.
As far as I was aware, DVD Player will not launch unless DVD decoder hardware is present, which I assume would mean that it relies on such hardware to play DVD's.
This would seem to be backed up by the fact that my mates Lombard (400 with DVD chip onbard) plays DVDs with DVD Player, while my Lombard (333mhz, no decoder chip) and my B+W G3 (450mhz without DVD decoder card) won't. My machines will not launch DVD Player 
All these machines are running with 10.3.6 on them, so it shouldn't be a software discrepency...
B+W G3, 450mhz, 512mb, 2x 40Gb, DVD+/-RW, X.3.6.
Powerbook G3, 400mhz, 384mb, 40Gb, DVD-ROM, Firewire, X.3.6.
Franken-iMac G3 Blueberry, 400mhz, 64mb, 10Gb, CD-ROM, 9.2.2... SOON TO BE SOUPED UP AND RUNNING TIGER!
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#42 2005-06-03 4:09 am
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Re: VLC to die?
I prefer VLC, to both DVD Player and QT.
VLC provides much smoother DVD playback on an LCD display than Apple's DVD player, because it provides deinterlacing capabilities which DVD player doesn't have. This is particularly noticeable when I watch anime, with its keylines and moving, computer generated colour gradients.
The Blend filter brings the quality on my LCD very close to that of my Apple ADC CRT display.
BTW, I'm using a very high quality LCD, and I'm still able to notice the difference without deinterlacing available.
I also use VLC as the method for playing DVDs ( or VIDEO_TS folders taken from my DVDs ) on my modified Clamshell iBook.
I know there are more people that meet the same description as me than anyone could count, so taking away VLC, as well as similar programs and plugins would have a very widespread negative impact, and quite possibly create a lot of resentment.
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#43 2005-06-03 4:41 am
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Re: VLC to die?
Deinterlacing IS very nice to have... 
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Powerbook G3, 400mhz, 384mb, 40Gb, DVD-ROM, Firewire, X.3.6.
Franken-iMac G3 Blueberry, 400mhz, 64mb, 10Gb, CD-ROM, 9.2.2... SOON TO BE SOUPED UP AND RUNNING TIGER!
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#44 2005-06-03 12:15 pm
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Re: VLC to die?
It seems to me that, because there are VLC developers in other countries, the passage of this patent thing would not neccessarily kill development. The project could be taken over by American developers, for example.
So my question is: Do Americans have to worry about this?
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#45 2005-06-03 12:16 pm
Re: VLC to die?
Booksley wrote:
ScifiterX: Didn't know any QT plugins existed (well, I knew divx did anyways...) for those formats. And apparently the divx plugin adds avi support...
But QT can't do fullscreen w/o Pro... and it doesn't support ogm/mkv, but you did mention that. And even though, the plguins you linked to are based on opensource software that's affected by this patent...
So either way, it'd be really bad if this patent was passed.
Actually QT has supported AVI for a long time now. Unfortunately without the various codecs available it will pretty much only support generic uncompressed or traditionally compressed AVI files (BMP, Cinepak). While AVI can support MPEG-4 via use of codecs (DivX, Xvid, 3ivx) it does not support the official MPEG-4 Codec which is what Quicktime uses.
Still, it'd be good to grab the codecs now. It's not like they are gonna stop working even they pass what is basically a monumentally stupid law and it never hurts to have the added capability.
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#46 2005-06-03 12:24 pm
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Re: VLC to die?
yeah, dont forget that .avi isnt really a file type in the way that .txt or .pdf is. a .avi could be any number of movie files encoded with any combination of a number of codec both audio and video
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#48 2005-06-03 2:18 pm
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but more so
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