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#1 2005-06-06 1:50 pm

jonahfish7
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why purchase a G5?

As I had plans before today of buying a G5 tower, could someone give me a reason why I should buy a G5 (IBM CPU) instead of waiting until next year and getting a Mac with Intel inside (yet to specified CPU) especially when I don't buy towers every year, and I expect that if I plunk $2500 down the computer that it should be very compatible with the apps for at least three years?

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#2 2005-06-06 2:09 pm

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Re: why purchase a G5?

The only reason I can think of is if you want to boot Mac OS 9. And even that will be emulated with third-party software.

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#3 2005-06-06 2:11 pm

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Re: why purchase a G5?

I think you're misunderstanding what Jobs said.  The shipping of Intel-based Macs doesn't spell the end of programs that run on PPC platforms.  They will be using universal binaries so programs will run on both for a "long time to come".  On CNBC's Street Signs, Jobs said:

The move is "not as dramatic as you're characterizing it," Jobs told host Ron Insana at about 2:25pm ET. Apple has great PowerPC products today and more in the pipeline that it hasn't yet introduced, Jobs said.

"This is going to be a more gradual transition," he said.

Now, I'd probably wait and see if the prices on the PPC stuff drops a little as they clear out inventory, but it's not like your computer will be dead in two years with regards to apps.


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#4 2005-06-06 2:11 pm

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Re: why purchase a G5?

skymt wrote:

The only reason I can think of is if you want to boot Mac OS 9. And even that will be emulated with third-party software.

If you need a mac, get a mini and wait. That is my plan.

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#5 2005-06-06 2:11 pm

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Re: why purchase a G5?

Apple just Wal-Martified their hardware.

They have just become an obscure "me too" company now.

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#6 2005-06-06 2:13 pm

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Re: why purchase a G5?

Mars_Attacks wrote:

Apple just Wal-Martified their hardware.

They have just become an obscure "me too" company now.

Total BS. This is going to open up Apple to so many more folks...as long as we can run OS X on any intel and not just an Apple machine.

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#7 2005-06-06 2:18 pm

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Re: why purchase a G5?

I am pretty sure that OSX will only run on Apple computers.  It is not just a software solution.


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#8 2005-06-06 2:26 pm

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Re: why purchase a G5?

Well, the Mac On Linux crowd enables OS X to run on non-Apple PPC machines, and I'm sure they'll come up with something for x86.


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#9 2005-06-06 2:30 pm

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Re: why purchase a G5?

Maybe because th G5 is a hot machine, and the transition will be invisible to you anyway?  I mean, if you wanna use your current rig for another year, by all means wait, but the G5 you buy today will still work for years to come, so why wait?


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#10 2005-06-06 2:32 pm

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Re: why purchase a G5?

Why buy an Apple when you can get a Dell for $299 that does the same thing now?

This is bad news for Apple. Really bad news.


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#11 2005-06-06 2:37 pm

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Re: why purchase a G5?

Mars_Attacks wrote:

Why buy an Apple when you can get a Dell for $299 that does the same thing now?

Because it won't.


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#12 2005-06-06 2:47 pm

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Re: why purchase a G5?

Inte l= cheap pc.

A mac would have to cost less that $500 fpr anyone to even consider it now.

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#13 2005-06-06 2:48 pm

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Re: why purchase a G5?

lamewing wrote:

Mars_Attacks wrote:

Apple just Wal-Martified their hardware.

They have just become an obscure "me too" company now.

Total BS. This is going to open up Apple to so many more folks...as long as we can run OS X on any intel and not just an Apple machine.

Do you even remember the early 90's?!  (aka the Dark Times)
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#14 2005-06-06 2:53 pm

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Re: why purchase a G5?

When clones ran wild?


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#15 2005-06-06 2:59 pm

lamewing
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Re: why purchase a G5?

Mars_Attacks wrote:

Inte l= cheap pc.

A mac would have to cost less that $500 fpr anyone to even consider it now.

Give it up drama queen! A PC ISN'T cheap just because it used an intel (or AMD) cpu. Also, there are MANY PC's out there that aren't $299.00 cheapy specials.

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#16 2005-06-06 3:01 pm

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Re: why purchase a G5?

This is bad news.

Really bad news.

The education market just slammed the door shut on them.
I can get Apples at no bid because they were a vendor only item.

With intel inside, the ITdiots will naturally assume they are the same as a $200 Dell and put it out for bid.

Goodbye Tita.......Apple.

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#17 2005-06-06 3:03 pm

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Re: why purchase a G5?

zdecker wrote:

lamewing wrote:

Mars_Attacks wrote:

Apple just Wal-Martified their hardware.

They have just become an obscure "me too" company now.

Total BS. This is going to open up Apple to so many more folks...as long as we can run OS X on any intel and not just an Apple machine.

Do you even remember the early 90's?!  (aka the Dark Times)
bang

Yep, sure do. I also remember Apple killing off the clones before truly giving them a chance. 

But it doesn't matter regarding the "run on any intel" . Apple's Vice Pres said that OS X will ONLY RUN on intel Macs and not standard intel PC's. BUT, they WON'T stop folks from running Windows on the Mac.

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#18 2005-06-06 3:06 pm

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Re: why purchase a G5?

Schiller said the company does not plan to let people run Mac OS X on other computer makers' hardware. "We will not allow running Mac OS X on anything other than an Apple Mac," he said.


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#19 2005-06-06 3:07 pm

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Re: why purchase a G5?

Pariah is rubbimg his hands together in anticipation of getting some sweet deals on used Macs now that the value of them is going to plumett like a skydiver with a tangled 'chute.


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#20 2005-06-06 3:11 pm

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Re: why purchase a G5?

I can imagine that the Macs of the future will be set up just like Macs today, just with Intel processors. As a side note, though that's great for the laptops/minis/eMacs, I don't think it will benefit the PowerMacs until Intel starts making their next-gen processors. (aka: 1-2 years from now, probably towards the end of the transition) I'm not too happy about the fact that I just bought a PowerMac myself, and then find out that it will be phased out. However, since it's not supposed to happen for a couple of years, and they are planning on supporting PPC for a while with FAT binaries, I guess I can be alright with that. What I think would be a good idea, though, assuming that it is possible to get full performance on both chips with relatively low size increases with the FAT binaries, that Apple switch between Intel and PPC processors on certain machines as each one takes the advantage over the years.


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#21 2005-06-06 3:18 pm

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Re: why purchase a G5?

lamewing wrote:

But it doesn't matter regarding the "run on any intel" . Apple's Vice Pres said that OS X will ONLY RUN on intel Macs and not standard intel PC's. BUT, they WON'T stop folks from running Windows on the Mac.

I'm sure that would be a working gamer's heaven: run Mac OS for work, then boot up in Windows to play any game.


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#22 2005-06-06 3:19 pm

i think G4 imac
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Re: why purchase a G5?

apple on intel is huge.
os x will own wintel as long as price is right - also, the year interlude sucks

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#23 2005-06-06 3:19 pm

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Re: why purchase a G5?

Yes but the advantage is going to go away if you go off IBM's and Intel's roadmap.  Intel has a better roadmap. I think Apple knows something about Intel that we don't. Apple would not do this unless they were in fear of IBM smurfing them over like Motorola.  And face it, Intel WANTS Apple's business. IBM could give a rats ass about Apple. As much as I dislike Intel, I am going on a wait and see basis on this. This could turn out to be the best move Apple has made.

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#24 2005-06-06 3:37 pm

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Re: why purchase a G5?

avkills wrote:

Yes but the advantage is going to go away if you go off IBM's and Intel's roadmap.  Intel has a better roadmap. I think Apple knows something about Intel that we don't. Apple would not do this unless they were in fear of IBM smurfing them over like Motorola.  And face it, Intel WANTS Apple's business. IBM could give a rats ass about Apple. As much as I dislike Intel, I am going on a wait and see basis on this. This could turn out to be the best move Apple has made.

-mark

Indeed. I keep saying that Apple hasn't said why they did this only to be met with, "but Intel has a better roadmap." Baloney. There is another reason here.


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#25 2005-06-06 3:44 pm

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Re: why purchase a G5?

yeah I'm assuming they know something we wont for months/years.  If they chose to build for a system based on today's market, I would have thought that they would have picked up AMD


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