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So let me get this straight...I will be able to run OSX.4 and X.5  and  Windows XP or Longhorn on my Intel Mac?Not Dual booting but if I have them on seperate partitions?

NAG wrote:

I keep saying that Apple hasn't said why they did this only to be met with, "but Intel has a better roadmap." Baloney. There is another reason here.

Intel changes its name to cyberdyne systems and releases a revolutionary new microprocessor. It will be a neual net, a learning computer......

Last edited by Chickenhawk (2005-06-06 4:02 pm)

I think all the people saying what a terrible move this is are really funny.  Assuming that apple puts something in place such that you absolutely can't put OSX on a [put dell or other generic pc here], then what changes?  Honestly.  The G5s are already getting beaten in almost every bench mark that exists.  The Pentium M DESTROYS the G4 for laptops (there are benchmarks done in this forum showing the Pentium M beating the G5 for gosh sakes).  All in all I see this is a great move.  Nothing but good stuff for apple.  The catch being of course that it isn't easy (or even possible hopefully) to load OSX onto a dell.

Target

PS Besides predicting the end of apple could someone give an actual valid reason why this is a bad move.  Further, if its SO obviously terrible why would apple do it?  Jobs woke up one day and said "I feel like ruining apple!"  Steve Jobs is a VERY good CEO, who makes VERY few bad decisions.  I'd just say we have to trust him.

PPS Lastly if your worried about Apple being a money grubbing corperatoin, news flash!  They always have been and always will be.  The purpose of a business is to make a profit, and further to maximize profit.  Every dollar that a company gives to charity is a dollar spent in publicity.  Apple cares about us, but only as consumers.  In this way they are the same as Microsoft, they just go about making money in a different way, and try to show a different image.  They didn't stay away from Intel all those years to "be loyal to the G5 fans."  They did it because at the time it was the most profitable relationship open to them.  Obviously that has changed.

When you do got intel inside in your powerbook or powermac and on you run your favourite OS and things go much faster I am sure you wouldn't complain that much at all.

Would I buy a g5 now? no.

I can see this being a good thing if it means that I will be able to run both Mac and PC programs openly in the same environment.  In fact, if that is the case, I can see Apple eventually taking real marketshare away from Microsoft.

I usually plan on using a Mac for close to 10 years before I buy a new one.

I was thinking of buying a new one very soon but now I'm not so sure..... Maybe a Mini.....

This is exactly the reason I was waiting for the G5 to fade out into the next thing, it just so happens the "next thing" is an Intel based Mac, So Fawking What?

The only downside I can see in the immediate future is going to be a slow down of sales of "new" Mac desktops (minus the mini sales).

Seems kind of stupid of Stve to announce this so early, but I guess he has to keep the developers up to date. I'm sure this has all been hashed out by Steve and da boys.

Like I said I'm open to it, if he was running the show on a Intel Mac and no body noticed why should we care what processor it is running so long as we (end users) don't notice a big difference in ease of use and productivity.
Also think about all the PC hardware that we will be able to swap in.
Yes alot of it works now but with the new Motherboards and Procs I suspect more components will swap in and even possibly come with drivers since it should be alot easier to make "Mac-Intel" friendly.

I for one am excited and ready to get one of the new machines.

Peace.

Mark

Mars_Attacks wrote:

Why buy an Apple when you can get a Dell for $299 that does the same thing now?

This is bad news for Apple. Really bad news.


At least I can look foreward to malware now. I didn't know what I was missing.

Are you really this dumb?

How does changing a CPU (hardware) open the OS/Applications (software) up to more malware?

You wont be able to run OSX on regular PC hardware... Apple will still make special hardware that is allowed to run it, and integrates everything well.

How are they going to stop the OS from running on 3rd party hardware?

Mac OS X-PPC is already running using PearPC. Wouldn't Mac OS X-x86 be even easier?

Will developers really bother to keep TWO x86 codebases once MacWINE comes out? I'm glad to see MS and Adobe on board, but look at Quark and other guys.

If you were a software company trying to turn a profit, what would you rather do... maintain two codebases for Mac and Windows, or keep the Windows codebase and then release something for Macs that runs in a compatiblity layer?

Gatchaman wrote:

NAG wrote:

I don't think it is horrible but it is going to be a pain in the butt.

That's the worst part of this.  We just got through the OS X transition (classic is finally dead), and now there's another transition to deal with.

Good thing too since I really doubt OS 9 is going to work on x86 (especially since the tech sheet for rosetta says OS 9 apps won't work).

I think this move had more to do with not being able to get a G5 into a PowerBook than not reaching 3GHz in the timeline Job's forecasted.

Umm. . . so what does this mean for the whole 64-bit business...?

Oh, and I'm still buyin' a G5. . . very soon in fact

_Nik

I was thinking about getting an iMac G5, but after hearing this announcement, I think I will be sticking with my "Last of the G3 700 iMacs) until 2006, when the Macium/PentiMac/Marklar comes out (and hopefully, it's only $999).

Also, I think it's going to be a lot easier than Apple and this board thinks to install OS X on a smurfy Dell box.  What will Apple do?  A software workaround?  Those are relatively easy to get around if you know what you're doing.  Will Apple make it hardware?  Well, we saw what happened when Apple said "nothing besides an Apple installed G3, G4, or G5 processor will ever, ever, ever run OS X, niener niener niener."  We saw XPostFacto come out in a relatively short amount of time.  There's not a whole lot for Apple to do to get around this problem.