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resedit wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Rez, you're being uncharactaristically obtuse. Page two, the debate was about whether or not the state ordered an autopsy.

Now, apparently surrendering that debate, you're making it seem like it's about cremation.

You're not doing yourself any favors here.

I'm not surrendering that debate.
The cremation AND the autopsy are directly the result of the choice HE made - a choice he made as a final smurf you to the parents.

He had no reason to care one way or the other how she was burried - but he chose the way that would be offensive to her parents. Don't be so blind.

Because you say so? Michael told me he was creamating her because he was needing some nice ash for his compost.

Placing ash around the base of your tomato plants keeps slugs away. And that's a good thing.

resedit wrote:

The question remains - other than the FU to the parents, why would he choose cremation over a standard burial? He has no reason to - and given that her parents didn't want cremation, that choice is a clear FU.

Why does ANYONE choose cremation for themselves or for a spouse or family member?

I want to be cremated.  I think the idea of being buried in the ground in a box is ridiculous.

Her parents did not have a say in the matter...and given their history, I really can't blame him for thinking that he shouldn't bend to their desires.

resedit wrote:

Their history, like it or not, includes giving birth to her and raising her to adulthood.
I also want to be cremated - with a small funeral.
But if I had a wife and she died, and her parents didn't want her cremated - I wouldn't cremate her. It would be rediculous to.

Michael has clearly moved on - he has another family now. He did this to make it harder for her parents to move on - and even if he was completely in the right and there was nothing left of her to recover, and he really did try everything he could - cremating her is still an smurf thing to do.

1- if you ever get married you will learn that you do what your spouse wants, not what parents want
2-give the moved on smurf a rest, she has been dead for years and he did his duty for her

Farmerkev wrote:

resedit wrote:

Their history, like it or not, includes giving birth to her and raising her to adulthood.
I also want to be cremated - with a small funeral.
But if I had a wife and she died, and her parents didn't want her cremated - I wouldn't cremate her. It would be rediculous to.

Michael has clearly moved on - he has another family now. He did this to make it harder for her parents to move on - and even if he was completely in the right and there was nothing left of her to recover, and he really did try everything he could - cremating her is still an smurf thing to do.

1- if you ever get married you will learn that you do what your spouse wants, not what parents want
2-give the moved on smurf a rest, she has been dead for years and he did his duty for her

Big if.

bratboy wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

resedit wrote:

Their history, like it or not, includes giving birth to her and raising her to adulthood.
I also want to be cremated - with a small funeral.
But if I had a wife and she died, and her parents didn't want her cremated - I wouldn't cremate her. It would be rediculous to.

Michael has clearly moved on - he has another family now. He did this to make it harder for her parents to move on - and even if he was completely in the right and there was nothing left of her to recover, and he really did try everything he could - cremating her is still an smurf thing to do.

1- if you ever get married you will learn that you do what your spouse wants, not what parents want
2-give the moved on smurf a rest, she has been dead for years and he did his duty for her

Big if.

Why do you say that?
It might the case - I've never felt a really strong urge to get married, not since the fourth grade anyway.

Last edited by resedit (2005-06-20 5:42 pm)

resedit wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

1- if you ever get married you will learn that you do what your spouse wants, not what parents want
2-give the moved on smurf a rest, she has been dead for years and he did his duty for her

Big if.

Why do you say that?
It might the case - I've never felt a really strong urge to get married, not since the fourth grade anyway.

It was tongue-in-cheek, but mostly based on a comment you made in another thread concerning a medically-necessary abortion for your wife.

But THAT is a completely different discussion!

bratboy wrote:

It was tongue-in-cheek, but mostly based on a comment you made in another thread concerning a medically-necessary abortion for your wife.

Believe it or not - there are plenty of hawt women who feel the same way about abortion that I do.
You generally find then in buildings where people congregate on Sabbath or Sunday (usually Sunday in our culture).

resedit wrote:

bratboy wrote:

It was tongue-in-cheek, but mostly based on a comment you made in another thread concerning a medically-necessary abortion for your wife.

Believe it or not - there are plenty of hawt women who feel the same way about abortion that I do.
You generally find then in buildings where people congregate on Sabbath or Sunday (usually Sunday in our culture).

...ones who would chose certain death over a medically-necessary procedure?



I'm sure there are.

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

bratboy wrote:

It was tongue-in-cheek, but mostly based on a comment you made in another thread concerning a medically-necessary abortion for your wife.

Believe it or not - there are plenty of hawt women who feel the same way about abortion that I do.
You generally find then in buildings where people congregate on Sabbath or Sunday (usually Sunday in our culture).

...ones who would chose certain death over a medically-necessary procedure?



I'm sure there are.

I don't believe that a life should be sacrificed to save another, and that's what abortion for medical reason is doing - and yes, there are times when either doctors have been wrong, or miracles have taken place (I'll let you pick), and both mother and child have survived what supposedly would have resulted in both dying.

Death for a christian isn't the same thing, death has been conquored. It isn't something to feared.

mo' ron wrote:

resedit wrote:

Death for a christian isn't the same thing, death has been conquored. It isn't something to feared.

REALLY... someone inform the Schindlers!

bratboy wrote:

The autopsy was "required."  Wether that requirement was borne of a separate choice that he made is irrelevant.  You were incorrect in stating that it wasn't "required."

It was not required.
She could be burried right now without having had an autopsy.

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

Death for a christian isn't the same thing, death has been conquored. It isn't something to feared.

Yes, the concept of an eternal afterlife in heaven speaks nothing to a fear of death.

It isn't something to be feared. Really. It is gain.
While we live, we live to do his will. We don't always do a good job of it, but ...
When we die - we go to be with the Father. That is something we look forward to.

I don't look forward to the experience of dying, pain isn't fun - but I do know that it is going to happen regardless (unless messiah comes back first) - and I know that what is on the other side is better than what is here. We aren't of this world, only in it.