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#1 2005-06-23 10:23 am
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This is why Karl Rove doesn't speak publicly much ...
The Rovester criticizes behavior of "liberals" after 9/11
"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 in the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers," Mr. Rove, the senior political adviser to President Bush, said at a fund-raiser in Midtown for the Conservative Party of New York State.
Citing calls by progressive groups to respond carefully to the attacks, Mr. Rove said to the applause of several hundred audience members, "I don't know about you, but moderation and restraint is not what I felt when I watched the twin towers crumble to the ground, a side of the Pentagon destroyed, and almost 3,000 of our fellow citizens perish in flames and rubble."
Mr. Rove also said American armed forces overseas were in more jeopardy as a result of remarks last week by Senator Richard J. Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, who compared American mistreatment of detainees to the acts of "Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime - Pol Pot or others."
"Has there ever been a more revealing moment this year?" Mr. Rove asked. "Let me just put this in fairly simple terms: Al Jazeera now broadcasts the words of Senator Durbin to the Mideast, certainly putting our troops in greater danger. No more needs to be said about the motives of liberals."
Lovely. Perfect. Just what the country needs.
Sure, a lack of "moderation and restraint" has led American troops into an Iraqi quagmire, ruined the budget, and threatened the continued existence of the military as an effective fighting force, not to mention alienated practically the entire planet, but hey! That's way better than being moderate!
And restraint is for America-hating weenies!
Good lord.
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#2 2005-06-23 10:34 am
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Rove truly is the "Great Satan."
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#3 2005-06-23 10:42 am
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Re: This is why Karl Rove doesn't speak publicly much ...
Rove's point; mistreating prisoners doesn't make people hate America, talking about it does.
I just don't think I could see myself living in a house without mirrors.
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#4 2005-06-23 10:57 am
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Re: This is why Karl Rove doesn't speak publicly much ...
Ribtorus wrote:
Rove's point; mistreating prisoners doesn't make people hate America, talking about it does.
Boo-ya
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#5 2005-06-23 11:04 am
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Ribtorus wrote:
Rove's point; mistreating prisoners doesn't make people hate America, talking about it does.
Boo-ya
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#6 2005-06-23 11:07 am
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Enough talking.
More shooting.
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#7 2005-06-23 11:12 am
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And really folks, what's more patriotic than intimating through push-polling (to some of the more bigoted members of our society) that your political opponent fathered an illegitimate black baby?
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#8 2005-06-23 11:23 am
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All liberals are the Dixie Chicks now.
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#9 2005-06-23 11:25 am
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The thought process is interesting. Everyone who questions the war is a liberal. Everyone who questions the war is anti-American. Therefore liberals are anti-American.
Elegant.
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#10 2005-06-23 11:32 am
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From the June 20 broadcast of Westwood One's The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly:
O'REILLY: And when he [Durbin] went out there, his intent was to whip up the American public against the Bush detainee policy. That's what his intent was. His intent wasn't to undermine the war effort, because he never even thought about it. He never even thought about it. But by not thinking about it, he made an egregious mistake because you must know the difference between dissent from the Iraq war and the war on terror and undermining it. And any American that undermines that war, with our soldiers in the field, or undermines the war on terror, with 3,000 dead on 9-11, is a traitor.
Everybody got it? Dissent, fine; undermining, you're a traitor. Got it? So, all those clowns over at the liberal radio network, we could incarcerate them immediately. Will you have that done, please? Send over the FBI and just put them in chains, because they, you know, they're undermining everything and they don't care, couldn't care less.
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#11 2005-06-23 11:33 am
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The difference between the conservative response to 9/11 and the liberal response to 9/11 is that conservatives want ANY war. Liberals want to take the war to bin Laden.
Rove and Bush give aid and comfort to our enemies by NOT attacking them and by bogging our military down in a war of choice. Bush and Rove give aid and comfort to our enemies by giving them a whole new country to fight for control of. I could go on and on.
The thing we liberals want is for Bush and Rove to take bin Laden and al Qaeda seriously for a change.
George Bush: "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."
George Bush: "One of the hardest parts of my job is to try to connect Iraq to the war on terror."
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#12 2005-06-23 11:37 am
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Re: This is why Karl Rove doesn't speak publicly much ...
Troutski wrote:
From the June 20 broadcast of Westwood One's The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly:
O'REILLY: And when he [Durbin] went out there, his intent was to whip up the American public against the Bush detainee policy. That's what his intent was. His intent wasn't to undermine the war effort, because he never even thought about it. He never even thought about it. But by not thinking about it, he made an egregious mistake because you must know the difference between dissent from the Iraq war and the war on terror and undermining it. And any American that undermines that war, with our soldiers in the field, or undermines the war on terror, with 3,000 dead on 9-11, is a traitor.
Everybody got it? Dissent, fine; undermining, you're a traitor. Got it? So, all those clowns over at the liberal radio network, we could incarcerate them immediately. Will you have that done, please? Send over the FBI and just put them in chains, because they, you know, they're undermining everything and they don't care, couldn't care less.
Gotta love that smooth dovetailing with the party line.
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#13 2005-06-23 12:11 pm
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Re: This is why Karl Rove doesn't speak publicly much ...
There is a difference betweent questioning the war (legitmate)...and insulting and berating the solders and calling them & those who support the war nazi's.
The later is whats going on, there has yet to be any real questioning of the war.. just insults and political b.s.
Remember even Kerry & others who had the secret facts, still was for it,before they were against it.
Typical,typical.
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#15 2005-06-23 12:32 pm
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Re: This is why Karl Rove doesn't speak publicly much ...
Troutski wrote:
From the June 20 broadcast of Westwood One's The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly:
The problem is that Bill O'Reilly is merely an obnoxious blowhard. Karl Rove is an obnoxious blowhard who is George Bush's Deputy Chief of Staff.
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#16 2005-06-23 1:08 pm
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Re: This is why Karl Rove doesn't speak publicly much ...
Tulsaboyw wrote:
There is a difference betweent questioning the war (legitmate)...and insulting and berating the solders and calling them & those who support the war nazi's.
The later is whats going on, there has yet to be any real questioning of the war.. just insults and political b.s.
Remember even Kerry & others who had the secret facts, still was for it,before they were against it.
Typical,typical.
He didn't call American soldiers Nazis in any quote I've read.
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#17 2005-06-23 1:45 pm
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Re: This is why Karl Rove doesn't speak publicly much ...
Tulsaboyw wrote:
There is a difference betweent questioning the war (legitmate)...and insulting and berating the solders
...got an example of this, "insulting and berating the soldiers?"
and calling them & those who support the war nazi's.
...this was said when? Link please.
The later is whats going on, there has yet to be any real questioning of the war.. just insults and political b.s.
There has been no "real questioning" of the war? Do you read much? There are Republicans "questioning" the war! More "political b.s.?"
Remember even Kerry & others who had the secret facts, still was for it,before they were against it.
...including members of both parties who felt they were mislead.
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#18 2005-06-23 1:55 pm
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ah... the effects of good propaganda!
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#19 2005-06-23 2:15 pm
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"Offer therapy and understanding" to our attackers? I just don't get it.
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#20 2005-06-23 2:17 pm
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I suppose Rove could be in for a nasty back-lash from liberal leaning families of dead soldiers.
I just don't think I could see myself living in a house without mirrors.
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#21 2005-06-23 3:42 pm
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Re: This is why Karl Rove doesn't speak publicly much ...
ShnickyShnack wrote:
[snip]
Gotta love that smooth dovetailing with the party line.
I must disagree. "Dovetailing with" implies that there is some visible seam between the parts. I would have used "simple repetition of" myself.
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#22 2005-06-23 3:46 pm
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Re: This is why Karl Rove doesn't speak publicly much ...
So what's difference between "dissent" and "undermining"?
I really want to get it right so I don't get in trouble....
Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.
Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.
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#23 2005-06-23 3:48 pm
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So what's difference between "dissent" and "undermining"?
I really want to get it right so I don't get in trouble....
Asking that question is undermining our brave troops, who are standing in harm's way.
Why do you hate our soldiers?
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#24 2005-06-23 3:56 pm
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Re: This is why Karl Rove doesn't speak publicly much ...
Tulsaboyw wrote:
There is a difference betweent questioning the war (legitmate)...and insulting and berating the solders and calling them & those who support the war nazi's.
The later is whats going on, there has yet to be any real questioning of the war.. just insults and political b.s.
Remember even Kerry & others who had the secret facts, still was for it,before they were against it.
Typical,typical.
I invite you - openly and here on the MAF - to scour my posts and find one example of me berating or insulting our soldiers... You'll find plenty examples of me insulting Bush and Co., but ZERO posts disrespecting our men and women fighting this travisty of a war.
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#25 2005-06-23 4:12 pm
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Re: This is why Karl Rove doesn't speak publicly much ...
Tulsaboyw wrote:
There is a difference betweent questioning the war (legitmate)...and insulting and berating the solders and calling them & those who support the war nazi's.
The later is whats going on, there has yet to be any real questioning of the war.. just insults and political b.s.
Remember even Kerry & others who had the secret facts, still was for it,before they were against it.
Typical,typical.
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