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A Klingon Death Metal band? OMG That's perfect!

Well, it would only be really perfect if they were good. If they sucked, they sucked, no matter what the gimmick they may have come up with.

Was it these guys?

http://www.purevolume.com/stovokor/music

Or is there actually more than one of these groups?

My sis goes there, so I know a little about it. If an actual student posts here, by all means listen to them...

Anyway, it's a "Great Books" school, meaning they <drum roll> read great, classic books. Everyone has the exact same curriculum - no electives. This is naturally both good and bad; however, you know that your roommie is taking the same classes, reading the same books, etc.

You learn ancient Greek your first year there, everyone has to compose music their second year, and physics starts with Newton's Principia. In addition, there are *no finals* (sighs...). Instead, you meet with your "tutors" (no profs. there), and discuss your work. All in all, it's a strange, neat place.

yes she did and she learned calculus better than I ever did. but as far as "college experience" JCs make you lose out.

Ah, yes, that probably helps. I think many schools do a first-come-first-serve thing with FinAid.

I've always had a low opinion of UMASS, however I came from a school where a large number of my class went on to schools with a 25% of less acceptance rate.

Marc wrote:

yes she did and she learned calculus better than I ever did. but as far as "college experience" JCs make you lose out.

And I should have mentioned that she learned her calculus while in high school

LKS_Rocky wrote:

Is Umass really that bad? In cali alot of our excellant public schools are gigantic, but is the quality that low?

thanks for the recomendations, even if I did get accepted at deep springs I doubt I would go, its alittle too remote for me. And Columbia would be great but i very much doubt that I would get in.


Can you guys tell me more about St. Johns? It looks interesting but i'm curious as to why two people here highly recomended it

st. johns college (Humanities School in MD and NM) or the Saint Johns in NY?

Marc wrote:

Marc wrote:

yes she did and she learned calculus better than I ever did. but as far as "college experience" JCs make you lose out.

And I should have mentioned that she learned her calculus while in high school

Just so that people aware - Junior Colleges don't use dumbed down textbooks, they use the same textbooks as 4 year colleges. The biggest difference is lower class size for lower division, which is a good thing - and no upper division classes, which you typically don't take until your junior year anyway.

Quite a few people who go far went to junior colleges before transfering to a four year. It is an especially good option if you haven't yet decided what you want to do, because it is easier to get into classes and see what actually inspires you - which is very often different from what you thought it would be in high school.

Don't discount junior colleges just because they are not four year schools - that borders on snobbery. Everyone I know who sustained a B average at either Contra Costa College or Diablo Valley College and then transfered to Cal did just fine at Cal (and I knew quite a few - I was president of the honor society at Contra Costa) - those who could not sustain a B average would not have made it at Cal anyway. Many of the students I knew went to Cal for mechanical engineering, electrical engineering, chemical engineering, etc. - and continued with their > 3.0 GPA's as upper division students when they got there. Many were > 3.5 GPA.

I transfered to a private school back east - I was always at the top of my class (in Math anyway - not in public speaking ...). I didn't graduate because I took a year off to work, and never went back - but I certainly was prepared.

Spending big money to go to a big university when you don't know what you want to do is a waste of money. If you want the party experience - hey, that's your choice. If you don't mind wasting mom and dads money, hey - that's also your choice. Whatever floats your boat.

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I have a lot of good memories that don't involve partying at all.

Plaz McMan wrote:

I still submit that there is more to a four-year than the parties; it is the whole enviroment, the responsibilities of living on your own, etc.

me looks at map of local junior college.
me sees dorms.
me looks at local paper
me sees students seeking roomates for apartments
me remembers students at cal who lived at home because cal was close enough
me wonders where notion that jc means you don't learn how to "live on your own" comes from ...

Okay, but not all JC's are set up that way (our "local" one, for example). Likewise, not all Uni.'s are really residential, whereas some are (over 90% of the undergrads at my [future] uni are on campus).

Eh, I suppose it really does boil down to whatever works for you.

Marc wrote:

yes she did and she learned calculus better than I ever did. but as far as "college experience" JCs make you lose out.

And what would that be and why is it important?