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#1 2003-02-01 2:39 pm

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WTC proposals narrowed down...

Well, I'm not sure exactly where this belongs, but I'm just wondering if anyone back in New York knows what's happening... 
I really, really hope they don't pick the option shown here:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/02 … index.html

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#2 2003-02-01 2:59 pm

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Re: WTC proposals narrowed down...

Damn you, I was gonna post about this too. Actually I thought a vote on all the proposals (with links in the polling section, if that's possible) would be groovy.

Anyway, I agree with you completely -- this is my favourite design too. The best thing about it, in my view, is its cultural focus: studios, theatres, galleries, and so on. And of course the design is just beautiful.

An architect friend of mine told me he thought another design had the inside track -- I forget what it's called, but it's the one that looks like giant tic-tac-toe games.


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#3 2003-02-01 3:47 pm

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Re: WTC proposals narrowed down...

That THINK design is pretty ugly if you ask me. Is that a plane wedged in there near the top? Freaky.

I'd vote for the Foster and Partners design.

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/us/0212/wtc.site.rebuild/gal.concept.2.1.jpg

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#4 2003-02-01 4:52 pm

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Re: WTC proposals narrowed down...

How bout neither?  *shudders*  they both look like from something that a deranged artist came up with, and just wanted to design them as jokes..

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#5 2003-02-01 6:20 pm

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Re: WTC proposals narrowed down...

I like the one with the two open-air memorial towers.


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#6 2003-02-01 7:26 pm

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Re: WTC proposals narrowed down...

What is this, a competition to design the most fragile, easy to knock down building ever or something?  Who, exactly is going to work in the top of either of these monstrosities?


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#7 2003-02-01 7:28 pm

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Re: WTC proposals narrowed down...

I would rather see them reconstruct the buildings as they were before the accident...instead of leaving "memorials" there, that defeats the purpose of even saying we weren't defeated...

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#8 2003-02-01 8:06 pm

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Re: WTC proposals narrowed down...

That design isn't bad... except it looks out of place compared to the other buildings there.

Have you seen the NY Skyline previous to 9-11 ?

Those towers were waaay out of place to begin with.


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#9 2003-02-01 8:07 pm

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Re: WTC proposals narrowed down...

I would rather see them reconstruct the buildings as they were before the accident...instead of leaving "memorials" there, that defeats the purpose of even saying we weren't defeated...

Cyberpawz

...and what's wrong with a memorial?

People who actually worked there or who lost loved ones in the attack might disagree with you saying there shouldn't be a memorial...


"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."

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#10 2003-02-01 8:30 pm

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Re: WTC proposals narrowed down...

I would rather see them reconstruct the buildings as they were before the accident...instead of leaving "memorials" there, that defeats the purpose of even saying we weren't defeated...

Cyberpawz

...and what's wrong with a memorial?

People who actually worked there or who lost loved ones in the attack might disagree with you saying there shouldn't be a memorial...

Lets put it this way, the building should be rebuilt, and inside it should be a memorial, not the entire damned thing...

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#11 2003-02-01 8:33 pm

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Re: WTC proposals narrowed down...

Lets put it this way, the building should be rebuilt, and inside it should be a memorial, not the entire damned thing...

No one is suggesting that the "entire damned thing" be a memorial...


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#12 2003-02-01 8:38 pm

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Re: WTC proposals narrowed down...

Lets put it this way, the building should be rebuilt, and inside it should be a memorial, not the entire damned thing...

No one is suggesting that the "entire damned thing" be a memorial...

That thing they showed on the news site, was a 100% memorial, I couldn't imagine anyone ever working in there... the 2nd one shown on this site, just is not possible...hell I could see glass flying off this thing if it was built like that just from the wind sheer alone at some of  the angles... not to mention it's ugly as sin.

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#13 2003-02-01 8:41 pm

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Re: WTC proposals narrowed down...

That thing they showed on the news site, was a 100% memorial, I couldn't imagine anyone ever working in there... the 2nd one shown on this site, just is not possible...hell I could see glass flying off this thing if it was built like that just from the wind sheer alone at some of  the angles... not to mention it's ugly as sin.

I can promise you that not ONE design that is being seriously discussed is to be 100% memorial...you should read the article on them.  The one shown on this page is one of many, and the one at the top is to have 8 buildings for commerce...


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#14 2003-02-01 8:47 pm

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Re: WTC proposals narrowed down...

That thing they showed on the news site, was a 100% memorial, I couldn't imagine anyone ever working in there... the 2nd one shown on this site, just is not possible...hell I could see glass flying off this thing if it was built like that just from the wind sheer alone at some of  the angles... not to mention it's ugly as sin.

I can promise you that not ONE design that is being seriously discussed is to be 100% memorial...you should read the article on them.  The one shown on this page is one of many, and the one at the top is to have 8 buildings for commerce...

I skimmed over it, and knew they were going to do something, but I seriously hope they get something that won't be ugly as sin and not usable.

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#15 2003-02-02 1:26 am

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Re: WTC proposals narrowed down...

i loved this idea, but im guessing you guys will laugh at it:

http://archive.salon.com/ent/movies/fea … later_wtc/

we all know they wont even consider it.  i think it is best to either leave the site as it is to be a reminder to people, or to think outside of the box, to not just put up another building because we can - make a statement, not another uglyass billion dollar monstrosity

bah run on sentences...late...bed....

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#16 2003-02-02 2:02 am

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Re: WTC proposals narrowed down...

Whatever it is it should be a symbol of self sustainability. Energy independence baby!

http://www.bdsp.com/web/

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#17 2003-02-02 10:21 am

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Re: WTC proposals narrowed down...

Whatever it is it should be a symbol of self sustainability. Energy independence baby!

http://www.bdsp.com/web/

That is indefinitely different to say the least...

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#18 2003-02-02 1:45 pm

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Re: WTC proposals narrowed down...

I shudder to think that they would consider the twin piles of scaffolding.  It looks like a temporary restoration project.

Perhaps the worlds talles bill board would be a good thing to put there.  One big advertisement.

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#19 2003-02-02 2:54 pm

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Re: WTC proposals narrowed down...

Ok, you see that thing connecting the two buildings near the top? Is that supposed to be an airplane or what? Because if it is, I think that's totally freaky. The last thing I want is to look up at those buildings all the time and see a freakin' airplane wedged into them. Man.

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/us/0212/wtc.site.rebuild/gal.concept.4.1.jpg

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#20 2003-02-04 9:15 am

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Re: WTC proposals narrowed down...

Well, I'm not sure exactly where this belongs, but I'm just wondering if anyone back in New York knows what's happening... 
I really, really hope they don't pick the option shown here:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/02 … index.html

THINK'S presentation was confusing.  They proposed three concepts.  It was difficult to relate the two gleaming towers with the sky-plaza proposal they had.

Check out the proposal by United Architects, which is my personal favorite (but, in a news poll, didn't fare so well)

www.renewnyc.com  (site may be down for maintenance)


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#21 2003-02-04 1:48 pm

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Re: WTC proposals narrowed down...

I like "Group #3: Meier Eisenman Gwathmey Holl," or the tic-tac-toe one.  I think it's a very interesting design.  Also, it seems less of a "response to the attacks" and more of a, "Let's build a really cool building."  As a New Yorker, this makes more sense to me.  As for the "cultural center," I think New York is already one big, giant cultural center, so I say no to that one.  What would that building provide culturally that we don't already have tons of?  And who would want to go downtown to the financial district to get it?


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#22 2003-02-04 1:53 pm

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Re: WTC proposals narrowed down...

I would rather see them reconstruct the buildings as they were before the accident...instead of leaving "memorials" there, that defeats the purpose of even saying we weren't defeated...

Cyberpawz

...and what's wrong with a memorial?

People who actually worked there or who lost loved ones in the attack might disagree with you saying there shouldn't be a memorial...

Lets put it this way, the building should be rebuilt, and inside it should be a memorial, not the entire damned thing...

Cyberpawz

I agree.  Some of the designs- especially the melted or distorted  looking ones- are big memorials.  They are interesting, but are pretty depressing.


If the words "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on.
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#23 2003-02-06 2:15 pm

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Re: WTC proposals narrowed down...

Whatever it is it should be a symbol of self sustainability. Energy independence baby!

http://www.bdsp.com/web/

That is indefinitely different to say the least...

Here is another interesting structure that produces 3+ MW (megawatts) of clean, renewable energy.

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#24 2003-02-06 2:19 pm

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Re: WTC proposals narrowed down...

Whatever it is it should be a symbol of self sustainability. Energy independence baby!

http://www.bdsp.com/web/

That is indefinitely different to say the least...

Here is another interesting structure that produces 3+ MW (megawatts) of clean, renewable energy.

and here is yet another. Also pretty interesting is this, at 7.5 knots it would be a great way to visit the statue of liberty.

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#25 2003-02-06 5:05 pm

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Re: WTC proposals narrowed down...

I liked this
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/us/0212/wtc.site.rebuild/gal.concept.1.1.jpg


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