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#51 2005-07-18 11:08 am

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bratboy wrote:

These books are meant for the younger set, correct?

The first three were. The last three have been decidedly not.


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#52 2005-07-18 11:08 am

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dvpierce wrote:

That's great - the first item on his itinerary can be explaining to Ron's dad how airplanes stay up. big_smile

Man, I was far too into the book at that point. Immersed.  I got all excited to tell him, 'cause I know. 

And then I looked around my living room, feeling like an idiot.  Time to put the book down for a few minutes,  grab a soda.

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#53 2005-07-18 11:28 am

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shapoopy wrote:

bratboy wrote:

These books are meant for the younger set, correct?

The first three were. The last three have been decidedly not.

...so she's writing for an adult audience then, is what you're saying?


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#54 2005-07-18 11:37 am

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not adult either, more to teens/late teens.

If the first three books were PG, the last three, maybe last two, would be PG-13.


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#55 2005-07-18 12:22 pm

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Bought it the day it came out

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#56 2005-07-18 12:36 pm

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The book is selling 13 copies per second in England.


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#57 2005-07-18 2:42 pm

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bratboy wrote:

Okay, I have a question:

These books are meant for the younger set, correct?  Do those here who are fans of the series also read other similar books, or is this series an exception?

I read a whole lot of "kid lit." Kids recommend books to me all the time. I like "The Giver," "Maniac Magee," "Tuck Everlasting," "The Great Gilly Hopkins," the Narnia Chronicles, works by Robert C. O'Brien, "Holes," mostly everything by Roald Dahl. 

When I was a kid I read "adult lit." Now that I am an adult, I prefer the stuff for kids. Much more thought provoking and tightly written in general. Toni Morrison used to be my favorite, but now she's too complicated for me.


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#58 2005-07-18 11:05 pm

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i just discovered that the Guardian Unlimited had a contest for alternate ways of whacking Dumbledore - some of the entries are massively funny!

read them here:

http://books.guardian.co.uk/potter/page … 82,00.html

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#59 2005-07-19 11:00 am

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dvpierce wrote:

I paid $19.25 after tax @ Borders. Bastards.

My son went to the WalMart in South Portland, Maine, at 7:30am on Saturday and there were dozens of copies left (they were open at midnight but he had to get up early so he didn't stay up to get it). The price was $15.78 ($16.57 after tax). So just keep WalMart in mind for book 7. It'll be cheaper than buying it online at Amazon or in person at Borders or BN or anywhere else, and even if you just wait till you wake up in the morning to go get it you'll get it earlier than you would if you got it on Amazon and had to wait for the mail to arrive.


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#60 2005-07-19 11:24 am

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debbiedowner wrote:

My son went to the WalMart in South Portland, Maine, at 7:30am on Saturday

That's where I live!  (In Portland)  nice


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#61 2005-07-19 11:36 am

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I got mine at Ralph's grocery store.


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#62 2005-07-19 11:43 am

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oatmeal wrote:

maxintosh wrote:

(also, I wonder what will happen to him becoming an Auror... no NEWTs?)

Me too.

jhota wrote:

Harry's an idiot if he thinks Ginny is going to just let him go. at the same time, i'm sure she (being a not particularly foolish person) will most likely continue with her sixth year at Hogwarts - she can always lean on Ron, wimp that he is, to find out what the "big three" are up to.

Yup.  Somehow, though, I think the order will manage to impress upon him to complete his final year (if the school is even open... as if it wouldn't be roll ).

This is debbiedowner's son speaking:

No, I have to disagree. Ginny is just going to let him go (at least for the majority of book 7), since she knows she has to: "She met Harry's gaze with the same hard, blazing look that he had seen when she hugged him after winning the Quidditch Cup in his absence, and he knew that at that moment they understood each other perfectly, and that when he told her what he was going to do now, she would not say, 'Be careful,' or 'Don't do it,' but accept his decision, because she would not have expected anything less of him."

Also, after "fiercely saying 'What if I don't care?' " she goes on to acquiesce "Well... I can't say I'm surprised. I knew this would happen in the end. I knew you wouldn't be happy unless you were hunting Voldemort. Maybe that's why I like you so much."

She also says, "I never really gave up on you, not really. I always hoped.... Hermione told me to get on with life...." So what makes you think she'll give up on their relationship now instead of waiting until he's done doing what he's destined to do to in order to devote himself completely to her?

So what I think will happen is that Ginny, Neville, and Luna will work together at the school and continue honing their skills (in order to prepare for the Final Battle) while HRH are off getting and destroying the other horcruxes. Then in the end the six of them (assuming Ron and/or Hermione don't need to die in order to destroy a horcrux) will fight Voldemort together in the Final Battle. Who will live, and who will die? That remains to be seen, but I have a feeling that Ginny and Harry will be able to live happily ever after together (there has to be some sort of catharsis other than the bad guy dying). Then again, Ginny might have to do the same thing Lily did (i.e., use the strongest possible magic, the one type Voldemort doesn't have, pure love) in order to save Harry.


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#63 2005-07-19 12:02 pm

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teh max wrote:

debbiedowner wrote:

If I remember right, Dumbledore told Harry in Book 1, "To the well-ordered mind, death is but the next great adventure." I love that line. I think it will figure into Book 7.

I think it figures into this book.

If we are right in assuming that Snape really still is on the order's side, then Dumbledore sacraficed his life to keep his spy. Even if not, Dumbledore was not afraid of dying. He was pleading at the end to either a) put on an act for the death eaters so they'd keep trusting snape, or b) because he really had trusted Snape all those years, he even liked snape, felt compassion towards him, and was upset that he was turning on him. Either way, it wasn't because he was afraid of death.

debbiedowner's son:
I think he was pleading to Snape less to save his spy than to save Draco's life. Dumbledore kept telling Draco that he's not a killer, that he can help Draco and his family from Voldemort's wrath,, and that "It is my mercy, and not yours, that matters now." So he was pleading with Snape to kill him instead of letting Draco kill him, so that Draco could be saved. He would rather die than let Draco become a killer.

The only main reason I'd have to believe that Snape killed out of loyalty to Voldemort instead of loyalty to Dumbledore is the look he gave Dumbledore before killing him: "Snape gazed for a moment at Dumbledore, and there was revulsion and hatred etched in the harsh lines of his face."


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#64 2005-07-19 12:12 pm

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teh max wrote:

Also, when Sirius died, Harry tried everything to talk to him again. There was no way. In this book there was a way, and he didn't try


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#65 2005-07-19 1:23 pm

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debbiedowner's son wrote:

No, I have to disagree. Ginny is just going to let him go (at least for the majority of book 7), since she knows she has to...

i think we may have a different definition of "let him go." yes, she knows that Harry will be off doing things she cannot participate in directly - that she accepts. but she isn't giving up their relationship or her love for him, whatever metaphysical distance Harry might wish to put between them.

debbiedowner's son wrote:

The only main reason I'd have to believe that Snape killed out of loyalty to Voldemort instead of loyalty to Dumbledore is the look he gave Dumbledore before killing him: "Snape gazed for a moment at Dumbledore, and there was revulsion and hatred etched in the harsh lines of his face."

revulsion and hatred for himself and what he was about to do, i.e., the situation? b/c Dumbledore was the one person who had trusted Snape - the other members of the Order of the Phoenix hadn't, the Death Eaters hadn't, Voldemort hadn't, and Harry (the boy whose father despised him and whose life Snape had saved several times) hadn't.

so, trapped by circumstance, Snape finds himself forced to kill the only man who has supported him, to prevent betryaing that man's ideals.

i imagine i'd look a bit off myself.

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#66 2005-07-19 2:07 pm

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jhota wrote:

debbiedowner's son wrote:

No, I have to disagree. Ginny is just going to let him go (at least for the majority of book 7), since she knows she has to...

i think we may have a different definition of "let him go." yes, she knows that Harry will be off doing things she cannot participate in directly - that she accepts. but she isn't giving up their relationship or her love for him, whatever metaphysical distance Harry might wish to put between them.

Change "wish to put between them" to "need to put between them" and I'm on board.  Ginny's letting go for the moment.  What's that she said to Harry about the quidditch team in OOtP?  "You're off the team for as long as Umbridge is here.  That's different than forever."   (Sorry if th'ats not precise, I don't have the book in front of me.) 

Same thing here.  They're breaking up for as long as it takes for Harry to defeat Voldemort - that's different than forever.

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#67 2005-07-19 7:38 pm

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It is possible that Dumbledore isn't really dead.  The Weasley twins had been working on shield cloaks, gloves, hats, etc. at the beginning, they might have improved them.  Snape was also skilled at casting spells nonverbally - he may have said one thing, but thought another.  I doubt seriously that Dumbledore would have begged for mercy from Voldemort, much less Snape.  Either that, or Dumbledore died to protect Harry and Malfoy - and so Snape could continue to help the Order.

Snape didn't kill Harry and told the other Death Eaters not to kill Harry because Voldemort wanted Harry for himself.  Snape does hate Harry though, and Harry might end up killing him out of spite - but he's going to have to hone his skills first.

Others will have to step up to head the Order.  McGonagall will probably take over at Hogwarts.  I also have a feeling that other DA members will start stepping up once they get wind of what Harry, Ron and Hermione are up to.  I suspect that the last book will be quite long…


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#68 2005-07-19 8:29 pm

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How much does it suck to realize that after finishing this book, we'll all have to wait at least a year (likely more) for the next book?  I hate that.

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#69 2005-07-19 8:30 pm

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Also, who do you think RAB is?  Could be a member of the Black family or of the Bones family, but I don't know.  Speculations?

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#70 2005-07-19 8:43 pm

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Regulus Black, Sirius' younger brother who joined the Death Eaters, but left and was killed shortly thereafter.


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#71 2005-07-19 8:48 pm

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Definite possibility.

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#72 2005-07-19 9:40 pm

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In book 5, there was a heavy locket that nobody could open in 12 Grimmauld Place (page 108 Bloomsbury -UK- edition). I'm betting that is the locket Dumbledore and Harry were looking for in the cave. I'd say Regulus, who was going to quit being a Death Eater, managed to find it before they did and kept it at home but was killed before he could destroy the locket. Hopefully Mundungus Fletcher hadn't stole it.

The A in R.A.B is probably Alphard, named after an uncle of Regulus and Sirius.

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#73 2005-07-19 9:55 pm

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depeachmood wrote:

How much does it suck to realize that after finishing this book, we'll all have to wait at least a year (likely more) for the next book?  I hate that.

I went through the first 3 books over one weekend before the 4th one was released. At least those didn't leave such a massive cliffhanger. After finishing the 6th one, I nearly went through my bookshelf looking for the 7th book before realizing this one was just released. http://homepage.mac.com/oatmeal/MAF/maxes/wahher.gif


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#74 2005-07-19 10:03 pm

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robco wrote:

It is possible that Dumbledore isn't really dead.  The Weasley twins had been working on shield cloaks, gloves, hats, etc. at the beginning, they might have improved them.  Snape was also skilled at casting spells nonverbally - he may have said one thing, but thought another.

While it might be true that the Avada Kedavra curse, that has killed every person it has ever been used on save one (Harry) might not have killed Dumbledore, there is that minor thing of having been flung from the highest tower of Hogwarts Castle.  It's not the fall so much as the sudden stop at the end of it that gets you.

"Not quite dead yet?"
"Yes, I'm feeling much better."
"You fell out of the tall tower you great git! How did you survive!?!"
"Well, I'll tell you..."

Somehow, I don't think it ends like a Monty Python sketch in Dumbledore's case.

Ok, let's suppose that the Avada Kedavra curse didn't get him.  And for the sake of argument, the fall from the tower (followed shortly by the blood-spattering landing) didn't do him in either... he's a wizard, I'm sure wizards have ways of surviving long falls.  Even granting that those two didn't get him, I'm thinking that the whole cremation thing probably did it.  Being bodily consumed by flames tends to make absolutely certain that the person in question is very certianly, definitely dead.

In short: I don't think there's much chance that he's faking it.

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#75 2005-07-19 11:01 pm

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Hmmmm.....  I'll read it when I have time.  I wanna see some action with Cho Chang, but I know it ain't happening!!!

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