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#1 2005-07-21 4:11 pm
- cocoamix
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Two gay teens executed.
The clerical regime
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#2 2005-07-21 4:19 pm
- Robert B.
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Re: Two gay teens executed.
that's awful
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#3 2005-07-21 4:37 pm
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Re: Two gay teens executed.
We in the USA have no standing to make judgements on executions like this.
Executing people for crimes commited while a child was only recently ended here.
In this regard we are certainly no better than Iran judgeing from the knashing of teeth by many who were angery we dont kill children anymore.
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#4 2005-07-21 4:46 pm
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Re: Two gay teens executed.
bullsmurf. If only the innocent may cast the first stone, justice would never be done or recognized because nobody is innocent.
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#5 2005-07-21 5:04 pm
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Re: Two gay teens executed.
If that's true (and not just some propaganda a la the former Chalabi INC) then it is horrible. I am having difficulty, though, figuring out how you figure that they were gay. The article that you linked does not state that.
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#6 2005-07-21 5:05 pm
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Re: Two gay teens executed.
Oh, I see. In the second article that you linked. I didn't click it at first because I was under the impression that it was in Farsi.
Anyhow, as for the first article, it may be true, it may be anti-Iran propaganda.
Just the fact that it wouldn't surprise me if it were true, though, says a lot about the leaders of the country.
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#7 2005-07-21 5:13 pm
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Re: Two gay teens executed.
disguting
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#8 2005-07-21 5:26 pm
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Re: Two gay teens executed.
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No one believed. They listened to his heart.
Little - less - nothing! - and that ended it.
No more to build on there. And they, since they
Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs.
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#9 2005-07-21 7:26 pm
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Re: Two gay teens executed.
That was amazingly depressing.
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#10 2005-07-21 9:32 pm
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Thats absolutely terrible.
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#11 2005-07-21 10:17 pm
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Re: Two gay teens executed.
Iraq's new leader apparently visited with Iran, recently:
Al-Jaafari, for his part, expressed pleasure over his meeting with Ayatollah Khamenei.
He called the late Imam Khomeini the key to the victory of the Islamic Revolution, adding,
"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."
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#12 2005-07-21 11:04 pm
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Re: Two gay teens executed.
Well the liberals are always talking about how we have to respect other cultures, and who's to say what's moral. I guess then,we shouldn't be snobbish about Iran killing gays for being gay. Then again, since everyting is morally equivalent anyway, we execute prisoners so who are we to say that what they do is wrong.
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#13 2005-07-21 11:18 pm
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Re: Two gay teens executed.
everlong205 wrote:
Well the liberals are always talking about how we have to respect other cultures, and who's to say what's moral. I guess then,we shouldn't be snobbish about Iran killing gays for being gay. Then again, since everyting is morally equivalent anyway, we execute prisoners so who are we to say that what they do is wrong.
Did you just turn this into a partisan issue?
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#14 2005-07-21 11:21 pm
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Re: Two gay teens executed.
So everylong is a liberal now?
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#15 2005-07-21 11:21 pm
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Re: Two gay teens executed.
everlong205 wrote:
Well the liberals are always talking about how we have to respect other cultures, and who's to say what's moral. I guess then,we shouldn't be snobbish about Iran killing gays for being gay. Then again, since everyting is morally equivalent anyway, we execute prisoners so who are we to say that what they do is wrong.
Where would you be without your ridiculous generalizations.
Can you give a comparison to something even remotely similar to this that evil "liberals" regularly defend?
(...though it is interesting that this is the FIRST thing you thought to post about when reading this thread)
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#16 2005-07-21 11:30 pm
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Re: Two gay teens executed.
Pariah wrote:
We in the USA have no standing to make judgements on executions like this.
Executing people for crimes commited while a child was only recently ended here.
In this regard we are certainly no better than Iran judgeing from the knashing of teeth by many who were angery we dont kill children anymore.
I strenuously disagree. The major wrong here isn't that they're killing minors (regardless of whether that's inherently wrong), it's that they're killing people for being gay. Death sentences for criminal minors here in the U.S., at least in recent years, were rare and only given in cases of murder. Christopher Simmons, who convinced five justices of the Supreme Court to ban juvenile executions, was a 17-year old monster who murdered a woman believing that he could "get away with it" because he was a minor. Whatever one thinks about how to punish criminal minors, killing Simmons would have been nothing like killing these poor souls, morally speaking.
We've got every right to condemn Iranian "justice."
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#17 2005-07-21 11:31 pm
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Nuke 'em.
Wait, no. Nevermind. DAMMIT.
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#18 2005-07-21 11:50 pm
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Re: Two gay teens executed.
A public excecution no less.
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#19 2005-07-22 12:04 am
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Re: Two gay teens executed.
bratboy wrote:
everlong205 wrote:
Well the liberals are always talking about how we have to respect other cultures, and who's to say what's moral. I guess then,we shouldn't be snobbish about Iran killing gays for being gay. Then again, since everyting is morally equivalent anyway, we execute prisoners so who are we to say that what they do is wrong.
Where would you be without your ridiculous generalizations.
Can you give a comparison to something even remotely similar to this that evil "liberals" regularly defend?
(...though it is interesting that this is the FIRST thing you thought to post about when reading this thread)
At least it shows where his priorities lie.
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#20 2005-07-22 12:33 am
Re: Two gay teens executed.
drfishy520 wrote:
A public excecution no less.
How else shall the public learn that they should not choose gayness?! {shakes fist}
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#21 2005-07-22 1:32 am
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Re: Two gay teens executed.
everlong205 wrote:
Well the liberals are always talking about how we have to respect other cultures, and who's to say what's moral. I guess then,we shouldn't be snobbish about Iran killing gays for being gay. Then again, since everyting is morally equivalent anyway, we execute prisoners so who are we to say that what they do is wrong.
It's a different matter when someone's life is involved. Mind you, it's not all black and white to us. Besides, it's genocide. More than 4000 gays and lesbians have been executed since 1979 in Iran.
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2. ???????? (use your imagination)
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#22 2005-07-22 2:05 am
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Re: Two gay teens executed.
everlong205 wrote:
Well the liberals are always talking about how we have to respect other cultures, and who's to say what's moral. I guess then,we shouldn't be snobbish about Iran killing gays for being gay. Then again, since everyting is morally equivalent anyway, we execute prisoners so who are we to say that what they do is wrong.
wow... that was tasteless.
Thanks for taking a big dump on all the human right rallies I've attended.
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#23 2005-07-22 7:29 am
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Re: Two gay teens executed.
AAPL Shareholder wrote:
everlong205 wrote:
Well the liberals are always talking about how we have to respect other cultures, and who's to say what's moral. I guess then,we shouldn't be snobbish about Iran killing gays for being gay. Then again, since everyting is morally equivalent anyway, we execute prisoners so who are we to say that what they do is wrong.
wow... that was tasteless.
Thanks for taking a big dump on all the human right rallies I've attended.
You can't deny that the left has had a shamefull history of being an apologist for the anti-woman culture in most Islamic countries. This is just an extention of that same belief system.
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#24 2005-07-22 7:40 am
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Re: Two gay teens executed.
bratboy wrote:
everlong205 wrote:
Well the liberals are always talking about how we have to respect other cultures, and who's to say what's moral. I guess then,we shouldn't be snobbish about Iran killing gays for being gay. Then again, since everyting is morally equivalent anyway, we execute prisoners so who are we to say that what they do is wrong.
Where would you be without your ridiculous generalizations.
Can you give a comparison to something even remotely similar to this that evil "liberals" regularly defend?
(...though it is interesting that this is the FIRST thing you thought to post about when reading this thread)
abortion
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#25 2005-07-22 7:42 am
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Re: Two gay teens executed.
It's these Iranians that Everlong's precious Bush is cosying up to. First through Iraqi proxies, but later more overtly. I don't know how Everlong's going to react to that reality, but then, he hasn't yet been told how to react. When he gets his marching orders, we'll know 
These sorts of harsh domestic policies doesn't stop the west from embracing Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, so I don't see Iran being any different. A few indignant diplomatic words done with a wink, and the issues are settled. China carries out horrendous executions for all sorts of transgresions, yet we happiliy trade with them rationalising that through trade comes the promise of capitalism and thus fairer government.
But Bush has got moral clarity on his side.
when surrounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
and the women come out to cut up what remains,
just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
and go to your god like a soldier...
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