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jax wrote:

My question is this. What happens if I decide to call someone a whiney bitch?

Do it just once and the most you'll get is told to knock it off.

Cmkm wrote:

reefdog wrote:

Ceemkm wrote:

What was once a family forum, is turning,..... and the Darkside in Star Wars seems like a better place at times. Is it XYZ  or any other PeeCee loving or argumentive a-hole's fault?

You seem to think someone's choice of an OS affects their ability to contribute to the forums.

Not what I said or ment, read the whole line again slowly. But then again there are people who post in the MA forums who do

Not to sound catty, but here's how it reads to any literate person: "[...] any other PeeCee loving [a-hole] or argumentative a-hole [...]" This is implied because "PeeCee loving" is not a noun. It's a descriptor looking for an object to describe. "PeeCee lover" would have been one thing, but "PeeCee loving" followed by an "or" followed by another adjective followed by a noun implies that both "PeeCee loving" and "argumentative" describe the same noun, "a-hole."

If that is not what you meant, then you should at least understand that your sentence structure is to blame for the misunderstanding.

mood and the way things are handled affect the whole, if you handle things properly the mood will stay right.

The way we handle things do affect the forums, but not to the degree they often get blamed for. The overall mood of the place is set by the members. If things here are heated, it's much more likely that a diverse and clashing set of viewpoints is creating the friction, and not our decisions. I'm sure you'd not have us do away with diverse and clashing viewpoints.

My (in 2001) 6 year old son used to post here, now if he was 6 years old I would not let him.

reefdog wrote:

Good, he should be outside.

that's a cop out of a answer, my take,- Forums are F***ed up because of everybody else, not my fault I take no responabilty. Your beginnning to sound like the government. am I wrong? ya? then post a real answer then.

Real answer to what? That was a friendly joke, Cee. "Kids should be outside in the sunshine," all that. But since you asked, yes, you are wrong. It's not my fault that the "forums are smurfed," because they aren't, and I certainly wouldn't be significant enough to smurf up an entire forum anyway.

When I first start this post I stated "start calling someone a Whiney Bitch. (Leave that for us regulars)". I say that because I know the MODS would not mind, how could they, Allen says it, why can't the rest of us followers?.

reefdog wrote:

That sounds like something a child would say to get their way. If you've got a 10 year old son, you've probably heard this, and I'm sure you wished he was mature enough to realize the proper time and place for things. We certainly think most members are... but there's always the ones that need time.

the line I said is the attiude people here take and have taken because of the ways MODS & Admins address and/or don't address problems here properly.

The only role that mods or admins have to have is keep a semblance of peace and order, and keep the mothership from legal trouble. How this makes everyone last member's bad attitudes a result of our mis-management is beyond me.

We try to address problems properly, oh how we try. But you have to understand that just because everyone has the right to complain doesn't mean their complaint will be considered valid, nor that they will feel that the reconciliation is adequate. We can't help it if decisions we make don't please everyone; I can only assure you that we make them for what we determine is the greater good of the populace.

XYZ is one of a small group of members who feels that if they personally are not entirely happy with the state of the forums as a whole, then justice has not been done. The rest of us, hopefully, understand that a community of almost 20,000 people can't possibly be perfect for everyone, and the twenty of us who try to keep the peace are bound to step on a few toes. You'll have to forgive us if we don't jump into sackcloth and ashes every time that happens.

He can definitely take it, but can we please not make this about something that Alien said. Good grief, it's time to let some things go, and the concentration should be the overall forum dynamic.

i.e., I personally don't want to hear about your (any) bitchings about a fellow user, but if you truly wanted to alleviate a problem area or situation to submit an idea or concept in abstract and anonymous fashion.

Ceemkm wrote:

[No filter dodging. -Alien]

LOL, you find something besides just commenting on the post

What, and start the next round of let it go/must you always have the last word comments> No, thanks.

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Not really. The makeup of members is the biggest mood affecter.

No, the moderators and administrators definitely have a part in it.  Nice how you're dodging responsibility though. 

The behavior of moderators definitely has something to do with the MAF Administrators.

Benightedbastard is the Bud Selig of MacAddict.  He asks, "what else do you want?!"  The forum users anwer, and he does nothing. 

Meanwhile, Reefdog blindly defends Alien and starts crying when he's proved wrong.

Do it just once and the most you'll get is told to knock it off.

While a moderator does it, you say,

"He's insulting your argument, not you!"

When a member like me does it, it's a totally different story. 

I'm not against Alien, really - I'm not.  I'm against the way the administrators and moderators handle this.

benightedbastard wrote:

Habs24 wrote:

Benightedbastard is the Bud Selig of MacAddict.  He asks, "what else do you want?!"  The forum users anwer, and he does nothing.

Christ on a crumpet, I only asked that last night. Have some smurfing patience, I do live a life outside these forums you know.

My mistake, I confused what you said with what Reefdog said in another thread days ago:


What more do you want?

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Benightedbastard, I am sorry.  It was an honest mistake. 

It was my bad and I will work to make sure that something like this never happens again during our conversations. 

Unlike other people here, I realize my mistake and I assure you that you will not witness another incident like this. 

My sincere and deepest apologies for the misunderstanding.

Ceemkm wrote:

Thanks for using confusion and misdirection, to try and make your point seem right. all it said was PeeCee loving or argumentative a-hole". who cares if it's a F-N noun???

I wasn't using misdirection or being pedantic, I was reading your post the way you wrote it. And the way you wrote it was either grammatically incorrect or insinuates "PeeCee[-]loving a-hole."

I don't want an argument with you either, but you posted sentiments I disagree with, and so I responded. If you wanted this to be an announcement of your feelings, and not a conversation, then you should have posted this on your blog or requested a mod to make it read-only. Considering you started a whole topic, I feel entirely comfortable turning it into a conversation.

All I will say is that the posts on the boards lately have been a little more agitated.  The mood as a whole around here has gotten somewhat sour, and it seems that more and more people are sniping at each other for no good reason.  I really can't say who is to blame, so I won't make any assumptions.  It seems like many people around here have become like a pack of wolves all growling and snapping at each other to see who gets the juicy piece of meat.

That said, I realize that being a Mod is not an easy job, and no one can be perfect.  However, being a Mod also makes you a role model for the rest of the members wether doing your duties or just being another member, so the Mods need to keep that in mind when they post.  I haven't really seen a big issue with this, but there have been a few times when things could have been handled with a little more tact. 

All I can say is I'm glad I don't have a Mod's job.

Orion, I think there has been drama over the last few years, but it's only apparent to those who regularly visit FFF, where all forum problems collide. If you stay away from MiniThink (a stew of dissension) or FFF, then you wouldn't notice most of this stuff. Most members who stick to a particular room and don't follow fights around the greater forum don't see this, which is why I think the "problems" aren't as bad as people are making out. It's truly a case of a few people generating most of the noise.

I only regularly visit three rooms besides FFF and the Squad, and those three rooms don't even ripple when these "huge fights" arise.

Phydeaux wrote:

reefdog wrote:

.... or requested a mod to make it read-only.

this can/has been done?

Closed threads can still be read.

Habs24 wrote:

It's actually an effective litmus tests. People who ask to be mods generally crave attention, and then make very poor mods.

Proof?

It's human nature, Habs.

Besides, making that rule keeps us from being deluged with requests.

You get deluged with requests anyways.

No, we don't. We get the occasional request.

The current system allows us to cherry-pick whenever a position is needed, based on the member's observed behaviour. Implementing some sort of "self-nominating" system would complicate things unnecessarily.

We should have thought of that. Here we've been randomly picking new mods. Which probably explains the unfortunate incident of the spammer who now runs a Clan room.

Forum members have problems with Alien, while another moderator was just peromanently banned.

The chosing of moderators is ridiculous.

I was quite obviously joking. Of course we don't randomly pick mods. If you took that seriously, my mind is boggled.

That having been said, we stand behind our decisions. Alien is a wonderful mod, regardless of what a few members think of him. Jehannum was also a good mod until whatever was inside of him festered and made him cause trouble. That's a strike against Jeh, not the system, Habs. We didn't know he would eventually breach our trust to the degree he did. Before that, he was trustworthy and reliable.

You're a moderator, and all you do is kiss ass to other moderators.

No. I defend people I think are right, regardless of their position. This has pitted me against other mods several times. You're a presumptuous fountain of nonsense who is really pushing the line of appropriate behaviour.

Thanks for that post, Cee. I agree, and wasn't meaning to insinuate that I personally, or mods as a whole, have no affect on the forums. We can and do influence things. My point was that we aren't the only, nor the most significant, contributor to the forum atmosphere.

We are trying hard to correctly balance freedom and control. It's not easy, and we're constantly using these situations to discuss policy changes in the Squad. If anything is to come of this, you guys will know soon..

I read the first page, and now I don't feel like reading the second, as I'm sure that it is just more of the same, but here's my take:

Was Alien in the wrong?  Yes, he was.  Should he be banned for it?  I don't think so, but really my opinion on this matter is completely irrelevant, not only because I am not a mod, and do not have the power to enforce anything around here, but also because I do not have access to the discussion that has taken place behind closed doors.  It's behind closed doors for a reason.  Really now, dirty laundry doesn't always have to be aired out in public.

TheConfuzed1 wrote:

I read the first page, and now I don't feel like reading the second, as I'm sure that it is just more of the same, but here's my take:

Reading only half is the way things get twisted up and threads go in crazy directions. If your not willing to read the whole thread don't give input because it will only be half ass.

TheConfuzed1 wrote:

Was Alien in the wrong?  Yes, he was.  Should he be banned for it?  I don't think so,

The question of him getting was never brought up in this thread or any where I have read.

TheConfuzed1 wrote:

but really my opinion on this matter is completely irrelevant, not only because I am not a mod, and do not have the power to enforce anything around here,

Everybodys opinion counts, not raising questions or giving input  or saying "it's somebody elses job" is why things have gone down hill.

If you don't give input now don't ever complain when things have spun out of control.