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Yes, Microsoft, the expert at delivering timely OS updates...

Hopefully 10.5 will be "fixing all the goddamn bugs and interface turds" release. Vista Beta 2 will have most, if not all or more, features than Vista final. This is perfectly good comparison if you, as the author did, bear all this in mind. Read the article ; it is not stupid.

Vista is going to be released next year.
Apple probably won't add any major features to 10.5 ; hopefully they'll make Spotlight/Metadata's GUI much better [Paul points out that this a major weakness that needs to fixed]. Hopefully the Intel build will be stable.

He is simply comparing what are Apple and Microsoft's best effort at the moment. You're not meant to take it as a review.

Zetetic Apparatchik wrote:

Vista is going to be released next year.

How do you know this?

Zetetic Apparatchik wrote:

Apple probably won't add any major features to 10.5

How do you know this?

Zetetic Apparatchik wrote:

He is simply comparing what are Apple and Microsoft's best effort at the moment. You're not meant to take it as a review.

Oh, you mean he is comparing Windows XP to Tiger?

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NAG wrote:

Zetetic Apparatchik wrote:

NAG wrote:

Zetetic Apparatchik wrote:

Vista is going to be released next year.

How do you know this?

Because MS has stated that it will be released this year. And there really aren't any technical obstacles to a release next year (mainly because of the feature pruning).

Feature pruning...so you mean that we still do not have an accurate description of this beta OS?

I meant feature pruning from the concept of Longhorn.

Zetetic Apparatchik wrote:

Zetetic Apparatchik wrote:

Apple probably won't add any major features to 10.5

How do you know this?

1. "Probably."
2. I damn well hope not. Spotlight needs work. The UI needs work. OpenGL always needs work. Quartz Extreme 2D needs finishing. And the smurfing Intel transition needs some attention so that everything works nice with the new components. It's possible that they'll have time to make 10.5 stable, fix everything that needs fixing and still add major new features, but I doubt it. And by 'major' I do not mean of the average level of importance that Apple included in their list of  '200+' (Wow. I can now print a handy pocket address book.) new features in Tiger.

Did Apple advertise the changes all as major changes? No. Oh, can you also get me Steve's autograph since apparently you know more about the OS than anyone outside the company.

No ; I was just clarifying by position. And I am simply hoping that 10.5 is stable, the little things polished and the UI is more cohesive. I, personally, don't see how/that Apple is going make it so and at the same time add more big idea, esp. with the majority of Intel/x86 transition hardware integration occuring with the 10.5 code  (I guess) and based on how half-arsed the interface and stability certain things in Tiger turned out (e.g. Metadata).

Zetetic Apparatchik wrote:

Oh, you mean he is comparing Windows XP to Tiger?

No. Anyone with an MSDN subscription can get Vista Beta 1. Anyone with a Bittorrent client can get Vista Beta 1. Anyone with a Gnutella client can get Vista Beta 1. ETC.

It is called a joke. "at the moment" what are the best efforts "at the moment?" Well, they are either XP and 10.4 or Vista and 10.5. Those are both the things that are in similar stages of development.

Average Bored Guy can get either Vista beta 1 or 10.4, legally, for cash, or illegally, for nothing, right now. He cannot get 10.5 and, as I say, I hope that 10.5 is, mainly anyway, a big polishing release. It is an unfair comparison, but still not worthless if you acknowledge the fact that Vista is a beta release and the Mac OS X is being developed. As I have said : IT IS NOT A REVIEW.

NAG wrote:

If they were feature pruning longhorn, how can you be sure that pruning has stopped? Do you work for microsoft?

AFAIK, most of the code behind the features missing in Beta 1 from Final is already there and will actually used in Beta 2. It is possible further pruning might take place but I doubt it. Vista is comparable to early Longhorn in the same way Mac OS X is comparable to Pink.

Did you forsee expose or dashboard or spotlight or quartz or any of the other major feature that were brought with a 10.x release? Do you work for apple?

I believe the first three were hinted at with initial applicable 10.x announcement and the fourth one doesn't make any sense.

Average bored guy can also get ahold of 10.5 when it is released to developers in less than a year. There is more of a time gap between 10.4 and Vista compared to 10.5 and Vista. You might as well compare 10.1 to Windows ME.

A comparison between Mac OS 10.1 and Windows 2000 however might make some sense.

I simply find it hard to believe that Leopard will have any major new features. I didn't predict Exposé, I didn't predict Dashboard, I didn't predict Spotlight but I did believe that Puma would just be a bringing up to scratch of the OS (which it was – DVD support, decent burning, decent printer support). Even Jaguar seemed primarily a Service Pack to me ; I was wrong, Quartz Extreme counts as a proper major advance. Both Panther and Tiger added huge features to the OS but they also added bugginess and many of the features have not been implemented well enough ; Leopard should be a consolidation of the current OS like 10.1 was.

I think the people defending windows and hoping "they come out with a nice OS" are retarded. They are kicking MAC's ass numbers-wise running a crapheap like XP. If they come out with something great apple would get pushed even more into obscurity.

Saying "MAC" is stupid because "MAC" means something else.

b_dubb wrote:

they have a word for Vista, right?  Vaporware? 

the article seems kind of pointless.  why compare something that isn't commercially available to something that is?  if its not ready for the public, its not ready for real world conditions. 

wonder how long a Vista Beta box would be on the net before it got hacked/wormed/virused/ruined ?

did the guy even mention security?  seems all the bells and whistles won't matter if the OS is as vulnerable as previous Windoze releases.
Ehh part 2 security dohhh

b

Interactive_Eaten wrote:

Hey, have you heard of that computer company called MAC? You know, the one with all them shiney cases n stuff.

Pfft. Nobody cares.