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I'm sorry to hear this justine.

What a terrible thing to have happen; I hope he does go through with getting stuff back together.  My thoughts are with you.

Way to kill the mood.

Thats the real tragidy of teen suicides.
The limeted perspective and preasure can cause some very distorted conclusions.

In reality its damn hard to screw things up so bad that you are just in a hopeless place.

Heck, I have made some really amasing stupid choices in my life and very literaly have lived in "A van down by the river" a couple of times.
Setbacks like that are things I look back on and realise they added to the richness of my life.
Once you live thru a few melt downs you come to realise how resiliant you can be.
Its a damn shame when a young life ends before they can learn that.

justine wrote:

The boy will never know what kind of man his father really was.

That's one way of looking at it.  Another is that he'll know exactly the kind of man his father really was. 

I'm not trying to be an ass here, honestly (despite the way the above sentence may sound).  But I think it will prove quite difficult on the psyche of this child if all he hears about is "what a great guy" his father was, but yet is left to reconcile those tales with the naked truth of his father's ultimate act.  Perhaps mental illness played a role here (you don't go into any detail -- and understandably so), and if so that might go towards ameliorating the child's conflicted feelings toward his father (though in this case it is likely the child will forever wonder why his father didn't seek help or receive help from those around him rather than take his own life). 

If the child only hears a whitewashed account of who his father was he'll likely have some issues (to greatly understate the matter) that shall forever haunt him.

A good friend of mine is a pastor.
His brother (who I never knew) committed suicide (before I knew the pastor).

On his birthday, his mom says she can still feel him - in her womb.
Sounds weird, I know - but everyone deals with loss differently. She feels him in her womb on the anniversary of birthing him, years after the fact.

People who are old and take their lives I can understand. Those that are young though, I don't think they understand the pain that others feel when they are gone.

justine wrote:

Vegas, he suffered from depression. He married a girl he dated only a short time, and only after she got pregnant. Soon after the wedding, he was no longer allowed to associate with any of his friends, whom almost were close to lifelong. This is the short version, and while this is very common among males, this type of emotional abuse does happen to men as well as women.

What she held over his head was his son. If he didn't dump all his friends, she would leave and keep him from his son. He was only 22. He didn't know there were things he could do.

That's very sad.  I hope the child is informed of these facts once s/he reaches an appropriate age.  It will not help him with relations with his mother, but that doesn't sound like much of a loss.

resedit wrote:

Chickenhawk wrote:

When I was in 8th grade, a kid that I knew pretty well chose to kill himself. He hung himself from his ceiling fan by using a towel. This was all because he got caught hacking into the school computer, and thought his life was over.

There must have been more to it than that.
Proverbial straw perhaps.

Perhaps, but nobody noticed he was depressed or anything.

C. Ives wrote:

justine wrote:

He also appears to have had a minor drug problem (meth).

When it comes to meth there's no such thing as a minor drug problem.

Ya....if you buy the current logic

Minor means you haven't lost anything. Yet.

People will either get mad at me for this, or this post will get edited/deleted by a compassionate moderator/administrator, but the fact is that:

If you kill yourself, you fail at life.

Simple as that. You failed to reach the end of your natural life. Much like you can fail a math test by filling in the wrong bubble (such as answer 4 for question 3), though, you can still fail at life without meaning to. However, the fact remains. You failed at it. (Not talking about anyone in specific, I guess I should have used 'one' and not 'you.')

And what's so good about Speed? My friends did it for about a year steady when they went to Washington state (for no reason) but then came back to Bk and don't do it here. The drug didn't seem to have any significant adverse effects on them (except for the obvious health blow they took from doing freakin meth for a year straight) as far as the financial or social aspect of it.

-Tim

yelowpunk wrote:

People will either get mad at me for this, or this post will get edited/deleted by a compassionate moderator/administrator, but the fact is that:

If you kill yourself, you fail at life.

I won't get mad, but I think you're wrong. If you think that the effort involved to make your life enjoyable is too large (possibly infinite if your effort won't change enough) then the only sensible thing to do is commit suicide.

I'd also say that the existence of a daughter and girlfriend make suicide irresponsible for you ; but to clarify I'd say you have no such responsibility to your parents. I suppose it depends on whether you believe that reap what you sow (and the ability to overcome the mental barrier to voluntary death).