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With the Gov. cutting drastically the monies that was to go to the fixing and maintenance of the barriers when they knew it was not a matter of if, but when speaks volumes.

Yeah, hindsight is 20/20 - I'm not sure though that the cut had anything to do with it.
Louisiana could have spent money on them too, is it really the job of the Federal government to pay for maintenance of the levies?

Supposedly though the upgrades were not to strengthen the levies, but to make them more friendly to barge traffic or something. I've also heard that the levy was possibly struck by a barge causing it to fail, but that is absolutely not confirmed.

I do think that there is enough smurf to spread around, the feds were slower at responding than they should have been, but certainly local government (both city and state) failed big time in their own responsibility.

They simply can't concieve that people are so poor as to not have a car to drive away to saftey.

There's a real problem with the car evacuation model -
The number of cars it would take to evacuate the city would cause an incredible traffic jam for days, and being in a car is the worst place to be during a hurricane.

Also, it was not certain where the hurricane would hit, and if NO evacuated every time they might be hit, it would be quite often.

However, the busses shouls have been fueled up and dispersed to strategic locations to help evacuate those who needed to evacuated if it did hit New Orleans - rather than being submerged in water themselves. That was a major failing.

The New York Times' analysis does show some local breakdown, but the pathetic response from the federal level cannot be denied.   http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/11/natio … ponse.html

The story is 6 pages and gives a good overall view of what happened in the political arena. 

EDIT:  Let me retract that.   I've never been to New Orleans or the Gulf Coast.

Here's a passage on the politics:

Paul McHale, the assistant secretary of defense for homeland security, explained that decision in an interview this week. "Could we have physically moved combat forces into an American city, without the governor's consent, for purposes of using those forces - untrained at that point in law enforcement - for law enforcement duties? Yes."

But, he asked, "Would you have wanted that on your conscience?"

Bah

Last edited by Nefarious Bidding (2005-09-11 8:17 am)

Metacell wrote:

Hindsight? HINDSIGHT? For 50+ years this was observed coming. You need an enema performed on your cranium.

Cool. 50 years.
How many mayors, governors, state elected reps, federal congressmen and senators and presidents did you managed to indite with that observation?

Metacell wrote:

Hindsight? HINDSIGHT? For 50+ years this was observed coming. You need an enema performed on your cranium.

LOL!!!!!

Farmerkev wrote:

Metacell wrote:

Hindsight? HINDSIGHT? For 50+ years this was observed coming. You need an enema performed on your cranium.

Cool. 50 years.
How many mayors, governors, state elected reps, federal congressmen and senators and presidents did you managed to indite with that observation?

All the ones who cut funding for levee construction. All the ones who ignored environmentalists' concerns. All the ones who diverted important manpower to frivolous causes. All the ones that passed the buck of responsibility.

Metacell wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

Metacell wrote:

Hindsight? HINDSIGHT? For 50+ years this was observed coming. You need an enema performed on your cranium.

Cool. 50 years.
How many mayors, governors, state elected reps, federal congressmen and senators and presidents did you managed to indite with that observation?

All the ones who cut funding for levee construction. All the ones who ignored environmentalists' concerns. All the ones who diverted important manpower to frivolous causes. All the ones that passed the buck of responsibility.

I think you will find with very little effort that the environmentalists concerns were a part of the reason for the delay in some instances. Can't hurt the three toed flying snake, it only nests in that one spot and you can't kill an endanger species omg11!!11!.
Next?

MrJ in OZ wrote:

JackSkellington wrote:

snippity,
And speaking of cake, Bush's mother should keep her mouth shut. But her comments I think show how these people view the little people of the world. They simply can't concieve that people are so poor as to not have a car to drive away to saftey. Or that their whole world might be a small shack and nothing else.

What did Bush's mother say?

What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality," she said in a radio interview from the Astrodome in Houston, Texas.

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this — this is working very well for them," she said.

Totally clueless.

Farmerkev wrote:

JackSkellington wrote:

MrJ in OZ wrote:

What did Bush's mother say?

What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality," she said in a radio interview from the Astrodome in Houston, Texas.

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this — this is working very well for them," she said.

Totally clueless.

They went from a place where nobody wanted to help them to a place where everyone is friendly and wants to help.
Because of this disaster, many many people have a chance at a totally new life they otherwise wouldn't have gotten.

Yea, so its great their family members died needlessly.

Last edited by MrJ in OZ (2005-09-11 8:52 am)

Farmerkev wrote:

MrJ in OZ wrote:

Yea, so its great their family members died needlessly.

People die in disasters for a purposeful reason normally?

Shock and awe.

Simple - You are placed and promoted in BushCo by loyalty and service to Bush, not by competence.  In fact  Bush punishes messengers of bad news.  BushCo is designed to develop a culture of sicophants. which includes the normal gate keepers like the press.

The consequence is Bush himself lives in a fantasy bubble of limited information and flattery. 

Now combine that with the fact he does zero self-reflection and assessment by his own admission and add the dangerous component of intellectual sloth.  He screws up, doesn't know it, gets told he is a genius by the sicophants, and never ever assess the results of his decisions.

He is an empty suit who thinks he is a genius and is unsuited for the complexities of the job.  He is dull, arrogant, isolated, disengaged, and unreflective.  A very dangerous combination.

For comparison - google Louis XVI

Last edited by Troutski (2005-09-11 11:33 am)

MrJ in OZ wrote:

Id like to see the Bush family lined up infront of Fidel Castos firing squad.

Thats what I want for x-mas please.

And there lies the problem.
When you hate someone with a passion, your judgement is severely tainted.
And you become bitter.

And Bush listens to this guy (Pastor Ted) every week, who heads up one of the most hateful Christian organizations around. Bush is a cancer for our country. I just wonder how long it will take people to figure it out.

-mark

Last edited by avkills (2005-09-11 12:30 pm)