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#1 2005-09-27 3:19 pm

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do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

i was just curious about professionals in the video field.  i just saw corpse bride and i was interested in what technology they used.  from what i found, they used os x 10.3 panther and final cut pro 4.5hd.  i dont know if they did that for stability or because the newer products werent released yet.  but i want to hear your experiences or opinions on panther vs. tiger in professional video.  does it make a difference?  is one more stable or reliable than the other?  and also, fcp 4.5hd vs fcp 5 in pro video?

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#2 2005-09-27 5:46 pm

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Re: do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

Tiger and FCP 5 came out at the tail end of their production cycle so they probably didn't change becuase of that.  But, the main thing that you usually never do is change your system and your software during a project.  That will often cause problems.

I'm not a professional, but I've not noticed any differences between working in FCP 4.5 in both Panther and Tiger or with FCP 5 in Tiger at school.

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#3 2005-09-28 3:25 am

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Re: do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

Panther and tiger are used.  As is OS 9 on many occassions (I am using an Avid right now running off OS 9).  Windows NT is also used in the pro editing environment (Avid Symphony) as is Windows XP (Premiere, Vegas).

It isn't the OS that drives the post process, it is the NLE.  And they run off all kinds of Operating Systems.


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#4 2005-09-28 1:29 pm

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Re: do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

bizzie wrote:

i just saw corpse bride and i was interested in what technology they used.

While this doesn't really answer your question regarding Panther/Tiger, I thought I'd link to an article about shooting Corpse Bride.

http://www.editorsguild.com/newsletter/ … bride.html


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#5 2005-09-28 2:49 pm

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Re: do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

Digital Droo wrote:

bizzie wrote:

i just saw corpse bride and i was interested in what technology they used.

While this doesn't really answer your question regarding Panther/Tiger, I thought I'd link to an article about shooting Corpse Bride.

http://www.editorsguild.com/newsletter/ … bride.html

They used Nikon lenses on Canon bodies? Oh noes!!

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#6 2005-09-28 3:17 pm

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Re: do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

Digital Droo wrote:

bizzie wrote:

i just saw corpse bride and i was interested in what technology they used.

While this doesn't really answer your question regarding Panther/Tiger, I thought I'd link to an article about shooting Corpse Bride.

http://www.editorsguild.com/newsletter/ … bride.html

Thanks for the link. That's a good article as it lets get a feel of the technical scope of the project.

Saw the movie yesterday and even though it was technically amazing there was something missing. It was as thought they rushed the art direction and didn't add all the little details that complete the fantasy.

A friend of mine Thomas Kuntz made a stop motion music video for ohGr of Skinny Puppy 18 months ago and shot it with digital still. Turned out great smile

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#7 2005-09-29 4:57 pm

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Re: do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

do you guys know of any advantages panther has over tiger?  im considering downgrading to panther because my steinberg system 4 doesnt work with tiger.  i mostly video edit with fcp4.5, audio edit with cubase sl2, and a lot of photoshop work.

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#8 2005-09-29 5:40 pm

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Re: do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

I work as a Mac support tech for a broadcasting company, and a lot of my FCP customers are complaining about issues relating to Compressor and Quicktime 7 (artifacting in transitions, to be specific). For this reason, many of my users have downgraded back to 10.3.9 and FCP HD 4.5.

Currently, there is no known fix for the issue, and Apple has yet to acknowledge the problem. (Although I did mention it to an Apple phone support agent, who all but confirmed it through indirect questioning...but he couldn't really say anything about it).

There are some posts about this on Apple's Compressor discussion boards. Just glance at the topics to find the ones that relate to this issue...it's not difficult.


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#9 2005-10-01 5:24 pm

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Re: do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

If you're going to talk "professional" as in, feature film editing, then don't even talk about FCP.  Only a tiny tiny fraction might use it on a lower budget film- and Corpse Bride is definitely not an example of a normal production.


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#10 2005-10-01 6:18 pm

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Re: do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

fingerjello wrote:

If you're going to talk "professional" as in, feature film editing, then don't even talk about FCP

I read through this thread and I don't see anyone talking about feature film editing with Final Cut Pro.

But since you mention it, I do agree that FCP isn't high in the field of feature film editing. I think there are only a few experimentalists who gave it a try. Walter Murch (Cold Mountain), Steven Soderbergh (Ocean's Eleven) and the Coen Brothers (Intolerable Cruelty) are examples are high-profile examples.

Up-and-coming filmmakers such as Jared Hess (Napoleon Dynamite) and Kerry Conran (Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow), may bring FCP to to their new films. Who knows, Tim Burton might even use FCP in his next live-action feature film. Whether Corpse Bride is considered "normal" or not, Burton's certainly no lightweight in the industry.

But for now, yeah FCP is still a baby in Hollywood.


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#11 2005-10-02 3:37 am

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Re: do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

I've been running 10.4.2 w/FCP 4.5 with pretty good success on my home mac.  If a major project came along where I had to work at home I'd probably go back to 10.3.9 though... We're still running 10.3.9, FCP 4.5 and QT 6 on all the edit systems at work.
IMHO  Quicktime 7 has been nothing but a disaster...  And the problems I'm hearing about in FCP 5 are keeping me away.
I've also had a terrible encounter with Compressor 2.  It installed when I installed Soundtrack Pro to try it out...  I can not export a clean MPEG-2 file with it.  The MPEG2 export component for QT Pro seems to work still though.


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#12 2005-10-02 11:23 am

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Re: do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

i make TV commercials for a living and i am using 10.4.2 & FCP5 and i have had no problems so far. do i count as a professional? smile

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#13 2005-10-03 5:08 am

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Re: do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

I edit national commercials and documentaries for The History Channel using FCP.  Plus, every movie trailer you see was cut using FCP...

Small market share..yes.  Growing market share...yes.  Not professional...no.


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#14 2005-10-03 5:28 am

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Re: do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

shaman04 wrote:

I edit national commercials and documentaries for The History Channel using FCP.

The History Channel? My music has been licensed for certain History Channel docs. I wonder if you might be responsible for some of my licensing income? wink


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#15 2005-10-03 11:52 am

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Re: do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

fingerjello wrote:

If you're going to talk "professional" as in, feature film editing, then don't even talk about FCP.  Only a tiny tiny fraction might use it on a lower budget film- and Corpse Bride is definitely not an example of a normal production.

Boy aren't we high on our horse! I'd consider anyone getting paid to edit video or film a "professional". Whether they possess the skill sets necessary to compare their work to high-end feature film shops, then I doubt they would come close. Hell even I don't have enough mad skills to compete with what feature films churn out, however, I do believe my work could easily pass for broadcast TV. My work is all for live productions and/or taking live show recordings and doing a final edit. I guess by your standards I am not a professional. sad

Oh and BTW, Fox Sports uses FCP and AJA Kona II gear to edit HD material for highlight reels and such, which in my opinion, easily passes as "professional" use. Used for Major League Baseball and the Super Bowl. shrug

Professional does not automatically mean "Feature Film Use Only".

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#16 2005-10-03 1:13 pm

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Re: do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

Where does amateur pr0n fit in all this? wink

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#17 2005-10-03 3:02 pm

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Re: do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

I would consider people that use FCP for feature film editing professional, and I know at least 3 people that do. Why would you say they were not professional because of the software they use? The tool is only as good as the people using it, and just because it has a smaller market share means nothing (Thats like saying your not professional because you have an Apple).
Those filmmakers that are using it to edit their feature films are just leading the way with a different non linear system than what was currently being used (Avid) and for a cheaper price. It gives hope to the low budget filmmakers out there.


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#18 2005-10-03 11:40 pm

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Re: do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

Depends Droo, do you compose music for a company that then sends a hard drive and a music sifting program (Pump Audio I believe)?  Twice I have used them.  For THE NUCLEAR FOOTBALL and HELL: THE DEVIL'S DOMAIN.


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#19 2005-10-04 12:00 am

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Re: do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

shaman04 wrote:

Depends Droo, do you compose music for a company that then sends a hard drive and a music sifting program (Pump Audio I believe)?  Twice I have used them.  For THE NUCLEAR FOOTBALL and HELL: THE DEVIL'S DOMAIN.

I do use Pump Audio's service to shop my music, in fact. Their statements indicate that my tunes have been used on The History Channel, but not those particular titles.


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#20 2005-10-04 3:35 am

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Re: do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

Good company.  I was interested to note that when I went to use them on HELL (7 months AFTER I completed FOOTBALL) they had changed the name of the main piece of music I used for FOOTBALL to "Nuclear Football."

When I get them again I'll ask you what song names you used and seek them out.


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#21 2005-10-04 6:06 am

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Re: do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

CaptKevMan wrote:

I work as a Mac support tech for a broadcasting company....

I failed to mention that the company I support has 31 Final Cut Studio workstations on the local campus (more overseas), and they produce TV broadcasts around the world.

So I guess you could say they're "professional."

Althought the Compressor 2/MPEG-2 issue is a concern, it only affects a handful of the people using those systems. About half are on Tiger, half on Panther.

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#22 2005-10-04 10:24 am

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Re: do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

shaman04 wrote:

When I get them again I'll ask you what song names you used and seek them out.

I found the statement and the program was Air/Sea/Land Stealth (the song was Gunga). I thought I had more on the History Channel, but it turns out it was the Discovery Channel that uses a lot of my stuff. Pump Audio, and other companies like it, have been great for independent artists. I do my own licensing as well, but I don't have the resources to shop my stuff to SciFi, A&E, MTV, Independent Film Channel, HBO, E! and VH1. Pump helped me get my stuff to all the above. Sound like a plug for Pump Audio? Yer darn skippy, it is. wink


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#23 2005-10-04 11:28 am

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Re: do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

Hey Droo, is that Noise Pump?  FirstCom Music has that library, so I imagine tons of high-end guys sample and use that stuff. BTW, FirstCom is the library I use at work.

Hmmm, just checked it out, looks like a different service. Looks good though.

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#24 2005-10-04 11:41 am

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Re: do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

avkills wrote:

Hey Droo, is that Noise Pump?  FirstCom Music has that library, so I imagine tons of high-end guys sample and use that stuff. BTW, FirstCom is the library I use at work.

Hmmm, just checked it out, looks like a different service. Looks good though.

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I don't know what Noise Pump is, but Pump Audio is a company that shops indie artists' music to agencies, production houses, etc. and takes care of the licensing headaches. They're not a library--they are generally about getting "real" artists' music to film and broadcast. By "'real' artists" I mean, as opposed to buyout or stock music.


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#25 2005-10-04 12:00 pm

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Re: do professionals in video use panther still or tiger?

Digital Droo wrote:

avkills wrote:

Hey Droo, is that Noise Pump?  FirstCom Music has that library, so I imagine tons of high-end guys sample and use that stuff. BTW, FirstCom is the library I use at work.

Hmmm, just checked it out, looks like a different service. Looks good though.

-mark

I don't know what Noise Pump is, but Pump Audio is a company that shops indie artists' music to agencies, production houses, etc. and takes care of the licensing headaches. They're not a library--they are generally about getting "real" artists' music to film and broadcast. By "'real' artists" I mean, as opposed to buyout or stock music.

Cool. Yeah, FirstCom is kind of like that (although they market themselves as a stock music library), you don't buy-out your music, but rather have a multi-year, however many discs agreement in which you can cycle discs in and out.  It is pretty cool.  but I will be checking out Pump Audio over the next week.

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