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#1 2003-02-05 8:46 pm

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ok Linux sucks anal canal

i hate linux.. it freakin so archaic its not even usable. it hosed my xp install. well i probably did it. but i dont have a year to figure out how to install a freakin program. im just freakin frustrated that i can't see straight


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#2 2003-02-05 11:18 pm

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Re: ok Linux sucks anal canal

Linux isn't an easy set up.  It's not meant for people who are phased by the thought of having to reinstall XP.  If you find iti so archaic that it's not even usable, you're probably not in the target audience.


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#3 2003-02-05 11:41 pm

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Re: ok Linux sucks anal canal

Exactly.


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#4 2003-02-06 12:23 am

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Re: ok Linux sucks anal canal

Well, except that I'm stupid and used "phased" instead of "fazed".  Whatever, I'm tired.

I also want to clarify and say that I didn't mean for my post to come about as snooty, so sorry if it did.  I certainly didn't mean to say something like "if you're going to complain, just go away!"  Certainly not;  in fact, I think that one of the next big steps for Linux is starting to get to the point where it's viable for an average user.  However, it's not there yet.  For now, it is a somewhat archaic system, and it's tailored for a specific audience.  If you're not in that audience, there's just no use in banging your head against the wall, cause it'll be hard and you won't get anything out of it.


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#5 2003-02-06 12:24 am

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Re: ok Linux sucks anal canal

Again, sorry if I'm being incoherant.  I'm really tired.


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#6 2003-02-07 10:41 am

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Re: ok Linux sucks anal canal

Your only incoherency was mistakenly using 'archaic' in the place where 'functional' should be.


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#7 2003-02-12 9:30 pm

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Re: ok Linux sucks anal canal

Oh no, you don't get to use XP anymore. What a shame....


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#8 2003-02-12 9:33 pm

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Re: ok Linux sucks anal canal

But seriously, have you tried ZipSlack? It's pretty awesome, from what I've heard. I haven't tried it yet because I never buy windows anyway.


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#9 2003-03-17 12:03 am

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Re: ok Linux sucks anal canal

i hate linux.. it freakin so archaic its not even usable. it hosed my xp install. well i probably did it. but i dont have a year to figure out how to install a freakin program. im just freakin frustrated that i can't see straight

It's not linux's fault that you couldn't figure it out.


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#10 2003-03-17 1:54 am

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Re: ok Linux sucks anal canal

well,... roll
Linux can be a serious pain in the tookus to figure out. C'mon. If it takes all your computer time for just one OS, how good can it be really?

On the other hand, choose the OS that works for YOU. If it's Linux, great! If it's not, great! Use what makes you the most productive.


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#11 2003-03-21 10:34 pm

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Re: ok Linux sucks anal canal

But seriously, have you tried ZipSlack? It's pretty awesome, from what I've heard. I haven't tried it yet because I never buy windows anyway.

If you find linux hard to use stay away from Slackware. Slackware is not the most user-friendly Linux. It has come a long way, but it's still pretty hard-core.

I suggest Debian. It's not easy to set up, but once you do system maintenance is a breeze with apt-get. (think fink)

RedHat and Mandrake are both quite easy to use and good for beginner's and regular users alike.

Linux isn't easy. You'll learn a lot and stuggle with it as well.

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#12 2003-03-23 11:58 pm

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Re: ok Linux sucks anal canal

...thought of having to reinstall XP...

Who wouldn't be bothered by this? For one, you're using XP! And have you seen an XP Home reinstall? It's beastly for such a "user friendly" install...

Reinstalling windows seems to be an inevitability, tho MS is getting better at it.

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#13 2003-03-24 12:52 am

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Re: ok Linux sucks anal canal

...thought of having to reinstall XP...

Who wouldn't be bothered by this? For one, you're using XP! And have you seen an XP Home reinstall? It's beastly for such a "user friendly" install...

I'm on a dual-boot with Linunx and XP Home.  I've installed both a couple times... it's not that bad.


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#14 2003-03-24 1:25 am

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Re: ok Linux sucks anal canal

It's funny you should say that, Buzz.  I'm on a debian install from 1999 (Slink vintage, heh), and an XP install from winter of 2002 (I think).

I honestly don't understand what all those windows jockeys do to their machines that they're needing to reinstall every month or so.


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#15 2003-03-24 2:03 am

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Indeed.. the only time I reinstall an OS, be it windows, linux, or macos, is when I'm either trying out a new distro (often.. smile) or I've changed my partition scheme or added/removed a hard drive.


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#16 2003-03-24 6:41 am

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Re: ok Linux sucks anal canal

Oh yeah, the only times I've ever had to reinstall are due to resetting the partions, etc.  When I said I couple I meant really, like two times.  But from those two times, I'd say neither was very hard at all.


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#17 2003-03-24 7:25 am

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I've reinstalled a lot more than that.. I spend more time than I probably should playing around with various stuff on my computers... One of my stranger pastimes is trying out new OSes, if they have a nice free version, or maybe if I can borrow a copy from a friend. I'm still installing gentoo on my G3, actually, emerging new stuff as I need it. KDE takes a while to compile on a 450mhz G3.. smile


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#18 2003-03-24 9:15 am

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Re: ok Linux sucks anal canal

hehe, when I've added bigger drives, I've always kept with the partitioning scheme I had before - one for /home, one for /var, one for /, and one for /boot.

It makes it easy, so that I can just copy the contents of the old disk to the new disk(s), and then boot with a rescue floppy after removing the old disk, and install a bootblock.  I don't know how to do that with windows or OS X, but the boxes that those are on are generally left alone anyhow.


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#19 2003-04-29 11:03 pm

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Re: ok Linux sucks anal canal

Flying_Meat"]well,... roll
Linux can be a serious pain in the tookus to figure out. C'mon. If it takes all your computer time for just one OS, how good can it be really?

very.


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#20 2003-04-30 6:31 pm

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Re: ok Linux sucks anal canal

Any OS that requieres the 10 or so CLI commands I discovered needing to install it http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-install.xml (Gentoo, one that I choose because it was suposed to be newbe freindly) is WAY far from being mature for anything but a novelty or a server farm.
I love Linux's promise but it needs to grow past having a 1978 era installer.


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#21 2003-05-01 1:21 am

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Gentoo really ISN'T particularly newbie friendly if you're scared of a little typing... They make distro's like Red Hat and Mandrake just for you.. wink


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#22 2003-05-01 6:29 pm

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Re: ok Linux sucks anal canal

Gentoo really ISN'T particularly newbie friendly if you're scared of a little typing... They make distro's like Red Hat and Mandrake just for you.. wink

That comment about the "fear of typing" really zeros in on Linuxs most basic flaw, all modern, user friendly OSs introduced in the last 20 years have taken great pains to avoid making users resort to the CLI to do simple functions like basic disk formatting and partitioning or network setups. Its like I haven't had a motorcycle in the last 2 decades that dident have an electric starter.
The CLI arrogance of the Linux(unix) cognoscenti may be very satisfying personally but is holding the whole movement back.
Well, I spent 3 days reading Linux forums all over the place and the general opinion seemed to be that Gentoo was the most NOOB friendly. so excuse me.
I downloaded Mandrake, all 3 CD images and I am damned if I could even find one useful read me file or something like a "Click here to install".
I am not going to pretend I am anything like a computer master but I know more than 99% of the people I know so if I cant figure out a simple OS install its pretty hopeless.
Linux on the desktop????
That's just pathetic.
Maybe in 10 years


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#23 2003-05-01 6:53 pm

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And at the same time its also its greatest asset. Would you rather lose all that power and flexibility so everything can/has to be done with a mouse? wink

A lot of linux users enjoy using a CLI, at least from time to time.. otherwise they'd be using something a bit more 'user friendly'.

Not to be mean, but if you can't figure out how to install redhat or mandrake, with their walkthrough style GUI installers, you probably won't enjoy using linux anyway.

The only way Gentoo is newbie friendly is in its docs, which are really quite good.


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#24 2003-05-01 7:26 pm

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Re: ok Linux sucks anal canal

And at the same time its also its greatest asset. Would you rather lose all that power and flexibility so everything can/has to be done with a mouse? wink

A lot of linux users enjoy using a CLI, at least from time to time.. otherwise they'd be using something a bit more 'user friendly'.

Not to be mean, but if you can't figure out how to install redhat or mandrake, with their walkthrough style GUI installers, you probably won't enjoy using linux anyway.

The only way Gentoo is newbie friendly is in its docs, which are really quite good.

Ah yes the POWER and Flexibility.
Man I remember the old DOS guys saying that that too.
GUI's have just destroyed computing!
Click and drag is so cumbersome!! Why not just type <insert 400 characters of arcane commands>
I hear that comment all the time from UNIX types and have yet to see even so much as one example sited to justify that comment. Its like a random comment that doesn't mean anything.
How would the CLI do anything for me as a home user and digital photography content creator?? Will it make me smarter? More creative? How would a CLI improve my work flow? Seriously I am curious. Would it help me color correct 400 pics in a batch? Or compress that same series to 800x600 at 50% jpg compression without a resource fork preview for posting to a website?? Give me one single example of what a CLI could do for me.

If Mandrake has a GUI installer it is well hidden because before I answered your post I went back to the Mandrake 9.1 disks I downloaded and found Nothing on any of the 3 disks I down loaded that resembled an installer.
Maybe the retail version is better.
Honestly I was looking to Linux as a possible alternative to enslaved OS's like Windows Or the Mac but it doesn't look like Linux is ready for prime time.
Not yet anyway.


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#25 2003-05-01 8:24 pm

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You download the cds.. you burn the images.. you put the first disk in your cd drive.. you restart. It boots into a gui installer  eek

Actually DOS sucks. Command lines aren't by definition powerful. DOS lacks all sorts of useful things that good shells like bash and tcsh have.. like tab completion and command history  lol

You want an example of cli being more powerful? Try batch renaming a bunch of files with a gui  wink Try writing up a quick little shell script to take care of a task, whatever it may be. Anything that involves slight changes to a bunch of files.. Or anything that needs to be quickly and easily automated. Like... converting a bunch of jpgs. You just have to find a cli app to take care of it. ImageMagick includes several very useful commandline utilities for stuff like this... Here's a command that will create thumbnails of every .jpg in a directory.

Code:

convert -size 120x120 *.jpg -resize 120x120 +profile "*" thumbnail.jpg

You can use similar to do stuff like color corrections for however many files you need, assuming they need the same corrections.

I realize that text installs and the CLI aren't for everybody, and thats why there are distros that try and provide a GUI tool for everything you need, like Mandrake. Honestly, installing Red Hat or Mandrake is easier than a windows install, after you burn and boot the cds.


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