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Verizon CDMA RAZR is coming very soon. Expect it before Christmas.

That said, yeah, Verizon as a multi-national corporation sucks BALLS, but that's what makes their service area so great. Personally, I work for a smaller CDMA regional carrier, and we use their network when a customer is out of range of our market. All the benefits of the network, no crappy phones or uncooperative customer service.

No one outside of the labs knows. I won't know until after it ships with Verizon, because that's when we get our seed units, frustratingly.

Verizon's might be crippled, but hopefully it'll be within the same restrictions of the E815 and easily crackable.

And it expect it to be a little thicker. Not by too much, but it will be just slightly.

it sounds like they're changing it a bit, any chance that it will still have bluetooth OBEX?

doesn't the RAZR have 40MB?  And the only thing thats been keeping me from getting the E815 (aside from looks) is bluetooth OBEX.  God, i'd kill for it.

Oh, direct link to how to do it:

http://www.nuclearelephant.com/papers/v710seem.html

that just ruined my day.  Will it work with VPC?

It doesn't work through VPC. The E815 is more stable than the 710. Lots of people have hacked 'em with no problems.

icebook1 wrote:

It doesn't work through VPC. The E815 is more stable than the 710. Lots of people have hacked 'em with no problems.

Yeah, let me clarify. I'm not saying to not attempt the hack. I'm saying not to attempt the hack in VPC. As you say; won't work. All risk, no reward.

nannyandnutro wrote:

The reason the e815 can be hacked is because Motorola makes the same phone under different model numbers across different carriers. Carriers, that is, who haven't crippled their OBEX profiles. That way the framework is there on the other phones and can be modified to work on Verizon's phone.

I'd understand if it's been that way the entire time, but it's not. The v710 is offered by verizon, and the v710m is offered by regional carriers. The difference between the two models is that you can use the multimedia suite in the latter to do file transfer via bluetooth BUT IT IS NOT OBEX, so it's not Mac compatible.

When the v710 was announced, and what papers from the FCC show is that OBEX was supported, and so was speakerphone enabled with the lid down, like on the newer Nokia 6155i. Both features didn't make it to Verizon's network. OBEX for the purpose that Verizon wanted us to use the PIX service; speakerphone with lid down presumably for reasons of confusing the phone with one that is PTT. But alas.

The v710 and the v710m both have the ability to do an OBEX file transfer. No doubt about it. But there's no way we can get the software to make it work unless we get it from Motorola. We won't, so long as Verizon is around.

The support on the E815 is a result of the backlash against Verizon as a result of the v710 debacle. Nice, big class-action lawsuit over it. Verizon got off easy, however.

Given that, it's likely that the VZW RAZR will be hackable since bluetooth in Cingular's version is enabled.

Nuh-uh, I wouldn't even begin to assume that. The VZW RAZR may lead to another v710 debacle. Since the phones use different connection technologies, it's most likely that they'll use different chipsets and thus, support different levels of Bluetooth. FWIW.

I love everything about Verizon, customer service, coverage etc.  Their phone selection is getting better I think but right now it's pretty limited.  Much like Apple, overall I'm more than satisfied with the product in general and it's a fair trade to put up with some of their oddities.

I'm okay with oddities, but the v710 situation really cast them as "damn evil". Making money is fine as a corporation, bullying other companies into crippling their products because you're afraid of someone taking the flash for that product and using it on a phone you're selling with the intent of selling other services is despicable. It's why I'm letting my Verizon contract run out.

Riiight.

No, they'll continue to be quite successful, but they're just not for me.

I personally don't like Motorola.

Verizon's phones all have the same user interface now, so it'll make little difference whether it's a Moto or an LG or any other brand.  All I know is that the first time I dropped my v710 the case cracked and none of my LG's ever do after tumbling to the pavement countless times.  They just seem to be made better.