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Phydeaux wrote:

I know I'm looking at a lost cause, but Verizon needs to allow support for Java or just allow the phones to be opened up if it wants to survive.

I guess I'll tell my husband and the several thousand laid off Cingular employees VZW is taking in to start looking for new jobs. 

Your casual user (who comprises most of any carriers' base) couldn't care less about all this stuff.

Phydeaux wrote:

Screw on the level of professionalism. Checking out those models, the interface that's slapped on all three you recommend makes them really no better than the RAZR, either.

I know I'm looking at a lost cause, but Verizon needs to allow support for Java or just allow the phones to be opened up if it wants to survive.

Google released it's mobile service, for example. Need Java to get it to work. Annoyingly, Verizon is getting left behind.

Personally, I'm probably going to be waiting out for a Motorola Q for my Verizon line later this next year. Let's hope it's not bastardized from it's rumoured specs before then.

Uhm, actually they're quite different.  First of all, the E815 does not at all have the standard VZW interface at all, but the standard Motorola interface.  The 8100 and 9800 do, BUT the applications for the 9800 are slightly different.  As to the difference between those phones and the Razr, there is significant gain in reception with the three vs. the Razr.  As to exactly which one between the 8100, 9800, and E815 is irrefutably the best in reception, well, it's still up for debate.  People in my area tend to think the 8100, whereas I see lots of people on HoFo swear it's the 815.  As far as mp3 player quality, the LG's tend to beat the 815, and the 9800 easily wins on screen resolution.  The 815's camera sucks but it's there if you want it...to me it's of the least concern.  What does the Razr win on?  Body shape and...and...and...

Unusual indeed I suppose, but objectivity and anti-hype is my hallmark.  I pick stuff apart so that someone doesn't buy into bullsmurf, get something they'll spend two days liking then two years hating and have me to blame for it.  If anyone anywhere has any problem with something, or a really good experience, I want to know about and my clients to know about it.  In short, I go through the process of buying something myself before selling it to anyone else.

Sorry to bring back a quazi-dead thread, but I felt I had to.

I just got home and when I arrived I found my new RAZR V3c.  I've set it up, but I have a few questions on things that my crappy verizon manual seems to have omitted.

1. How can I get the pics I take on my phone onto my mac?  I don't want to have to pay anymore dollars than I already am, especially not for a monthly subscription thing.  I have a miniUSB-USB cable, but it only acts as a charger when plugged into my phone and my mac, not data transfer.  Not even in VPC 7 (XP)

2. This is like the opposite of the other question.  How can I get picson my phone.  It's not something I would do that often, but it would be nice to have like an Apple logo as my background, something I'd get off the internet.

3. How can I get MP3s on my phone.  Can I make them ringtones?

Thanks,
DC

you're right.  Verizon has never supported OBEX transfers, but I'm talking about wired ones.  Or, if I have to, I think Verizon has a website that allows transferring, like vzwpix.com or something like that, but I can't seem to figure it out.

thanks, but I don't have a bluetooth adapter on my computer.  Besides, Just because iSync supports the V3c doesn't mean that it will support the Verizon one.  THere are other carriers who didn't turn off the OBEX, you know.

But thanks for your help.

well, can you help me with transferring my stuff, regardless of OBEX?

Yes, it's possible.  You need to scoot over to Howardforums and there is a great tutorial in their Verizon phone discussion area.  Basically, you're using a program called Bitpim and a data cable (the latter of which can be found on eBay) It seems complicated at first but once you've done it a few times it's pretty smooth.  I use the same process to put my own (free) ringtones on my 9800; I just use Amadeus to make high quality 30 second clips and voila. 

The only problem I can see you running into is bitpim (the data transfer program) not having been updated for the RAZR since it's a pretty new phone.  There should be a pretty meaty discussion going on about it at HoFo by now though.

oh, by the way. I have a mini-USB to USB cable, is that the data cable you were talking about?

ah.  Okay.  Gotcha.  Some guy on howardforums is raving about how he got his vzw razr to work with obex in panther and uses it to transfer pix, flix, tunes and tones.  Any idea how he did this?  I asked him myself and am waiting for a reply.

yeah, but I figured out what's going on and I tried it myself.  THe V3c doesn't support Push OBEX, but it does support file transfer from computer to phone.  In other words, unlike most Verizon phones, this one's bluetooth is not fully crippled. My neighbor let me test it out on his 'book that has bluetooth on it and it worked.  I'm gunno go to CompUSA later and pick me up a bluetooth.  Anyone have any suggestions on which one I should get?

BTW, there will be a full review of this phone sometime in the next ten days for any of you interested.  I'm not a great journalist, but for those of you interested in getting this phone, you will be hearing a true recommendation from one mac brutha to anutha.

I'm ready for the Apple phone, personally. Except for pushbuttons, it should have all the same features as a 1965 black Western Electric desk phone. You dial the right number, you get to talk to somebody. Somebody calls you, you decide whether to talk to them or not. It doesn't need a calendar, calculator, inferior email, crappy internet connectivity, ugly wallpaper, a screensaver, or annoying $1.99 ringtones. And it should sync to my address book via Bluetooth.