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#1 2005-10-17 1:24 pm

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What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

No seriously.  Why are all the iPods currently on the market USB only?  What about people like me who do not have USB 2.0?  Does that mean we are SOL? 

FireWire is awesome.  It is still a widely used format, I do not understand why the higher end iPods no longer have the option of using FireWire (especially with video being involved). 

I was ten seconds away from purchasing an iPod Video until I realized the dreaded: "USB 2.0" on the requirements.  That's bloody bogus.

Anyone else ticked that Mr. Jobs no longer uses FireWire for his iPods?  hmm

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#2 2005-10-17 1:53 pm

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Re: What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

yup


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#3 2005-10-17 2:00 pm

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Re: What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

mediocresau wrote:

It is still a widely used format

Until you hit the PC world. There it's USB 2. USB=Greater compatibility across the board.

Oh and someone beat ya to it...couple threads down.

http://www.macaddict.com/forums/topic/71199

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#4 2005-10-17 2:03 pm

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Re: What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

Apple is very comfortible screwing its users.
If you are going to keep using Macs its a fact of life you need to just get used too.


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#5 2005-10-17 2:13 pm

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Re: What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

Pariah wrote:

Apple is very comfortible screwing its users.
If you are going to keep using Macs its a fact of life you need to just get used too.

And M$ is equally comfortable in screwing theirs. You're smurfd one way or the other.


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#6 2005-10-17 3:06 pm

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Re: What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

LLEVIATHANN wrote:

Pariah wrote:

Apple is very comfortible screwing its users.
If you are going to keep using Macs its a fact of life you need to just get used too.

And M$ is equally comfortable in screwing theirs. You're smurfd one way or the other.

Which is why linux rules.


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#7 2005-10-17 4:06 pm

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Re: What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

Greywolf wrote:

LLEVIATHANN wrote:

Pariah wrote:

Apple is very comfortible screwing its users.
If you are going to keep using Macs its a fact of life you need to just get used too.

And M$ is equally comfortable in screwing theirs. You're smurfd one way or the other.

Which is why linux rules.

Is there a Linux iTunes? Still smurfd!


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#8 2005-10-17 4:16 pm

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Re: What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

As much as I understand that Jobs wants the iPod to appeal to PC whores (bigger market), it still perplexes me that a FireWire option is not given.  Sure, you can buy a cable, but when you attempt to purchase an iPod online it does not immediately list it as an accessory.  AV cables are instead, more valuable then a FireWire cable.

Seriously, I'm just not happy about Apple ending an era of FireWire to be USB 2.  It feels like a great band that sold out and went to Sony Records or something.  hmm

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#9 2005-10-17 5:30 pm

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Re: What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

The video iPods and the Nano can only use a FireWire cable to charge, not to sync. They now lack the actual FireWire controllers. The only reason they can still charge over FireWire is because the Dock connector is still the same. You can use USB 2.0 devices with 1.1 ports, it is just much, much slower.

Some may say iPods don't need the bandwidth of FireWire much, but what about video? What if you use your iPod as a backup disk that automatically syncs when you plug it in?

And what about port availability? Between my Wacom tablet and my mouse, if I had any of the current iPods I'd have to frequently switch out devices from my 15" PowerBook's two USB ports. I have a FireWire 400 port and a FireWire 800 port, and I want to use them, not hassle with swapping on a daily basis. Sure, I fortunately could buy a USB PC-Card because I have the 15" model but those things stick out so I'd rather not use them for a few years. I'm just glad my current 20GB 4G iPod works. When it's time to move on, I'm not sure what I'll do.


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#10 2005-10-17 5:46 pm

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Re: What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

You know, you can find a USB 2 PCI card for under $30.  That will quickly bring an end to your problem.


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#11 2005-10-17 6:20 pm

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Re: What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

Still, IMO firewire is better than USB, it carries more current, and it's 2nd (800) gen kills USB 2.0

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#12 2005-10-17 6:40 pm

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Re: What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

Greywolf wrote:

LLEVIATHANN wrote:

Pariah wrote:

Apple is very comfortible screwing its users.
If you are going to keep using Macs its a fact of life you need to just get used too.

And M$ is equally comfortable in screwing theirs. You're smurfd one way or the other.

Which is why linux rules.

Ya, Linux rules as long as you like apps that work like crap and look like ass.


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#13 2005-10-17 6:46 pm

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Re: What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

Pithecanthropus wrote:

You know, you can find a USB 2 PCI card for under $30.  That will quickly bring an end to your problem.

Did he say he had a PowerMac? Did he even say he had a PowerBook with a PC-Card slot?

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#14 2005-10-17 6:59 pm

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Re: What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

LLEVIATHANN wrote:

Greywolf wrote:

LLEVIATHANN wrote:


And M$ is equally comfortable in screwing theirs. You're smurfd one way or the other.

Which is why linux rules.

Is there a Linux iTunes? Still smurfd!

It's called alt.binaries.mp3

wink


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#15 2005-10-17 8:46 pm

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Re: What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

It was done purely to appeal to the PC market, which is sad because FW400/800 both destroy USB.  This is especially true since most people have slow USB devices sitting on their USB bus.

I certainly hope they go back to using FW in the future as every single Socket 754/939/modern Intel motherboard I've seen has at least one FW400 port.

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#16 2005-10-17 11:53 pm

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Re: What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

I hate USB 2, I hate PC whores, and I hate Steve Jobs right about now too... Mr. Job's, you sir, are a whore too! steamed

I hate Apple smurfing there loyal client base to score cheap points with the fancy pants iPodders and PC chip-smurf. down

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#17 2005-10-18 12:12 am

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Re: What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

My 1st gen has no USB, and I like it:p


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#18 2005-10-18 12:14 am

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Re: What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

USB isn't all bad, it's just not the right choice for certain things.


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#19 2005-10-18 12:27 am

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Re: What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

ie. anything intended to plug into a mac

If us poor bastards with pre G5 macs want to use an iPod Video, then we can't... well OK, that may not be entirely true, as I and any other G3/G4 tower owner can go out and *buy* a USB 2.0 card... but what about iBook G3, iMac G3/G4, Cube and eMac owners???

Even a 1GHz eMac made a little over a year and a half ago will never be able to use an iPod Video with it's full video fuctionality.

Once I had to clone my old (almost full) 4Gb HDD in my Powerbook to the new 40Gb drive I bought using an external USB case... the process took three and a half hours at USB 1.1 speeds... Imagine copying upwards of 10Gb of video, music, or data to the iPod via USB 1.1!!! eek


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#20 2005-10-18 12:32 am

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Re: What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

SchmoBurger wrote:

ie. anything intended to plug into a mac

Keyboards, mice, thumbdrives, microphones, Wacom tablets, joysticks, gamepads, PDAs, digital still cameras, flylights, the list goes on. USB is fine, for some things.


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#21 2005-10-18 12:38 am

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Re: What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

You know what I mean... tongue


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#22 2005-10-18 2:30 am

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Re: What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

You know Ninja's prefer Firewire right?


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#23 2005-10-18 2:46 am

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Re: What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

Temetka wrote:

You know Ninja's prefer Firewire right?

I thought they preferred throwing stars.


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#24 2005-10-18 3:46 am

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Re: What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

No, Res'...throwing stars is a complex metaphor symbolising the Ninjas' taste for Firewire... and don't you forget it or the Ninja's will flip out and KILL YOU! big_smile


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#25 2005-10-18 11:59 am

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Re: What is so wrong with FireWire, Steve Jobs?

I'm thinking if the worst thing you have to bitch about is iPods going USB 2.0 with no FireWire, then you really need to find something better to do with your energies.


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