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#26 2005-10-25 1:12 pm
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Re: The more I use OS X - the more I hate the dock
user wrote:
Putting applications in the Apple Menu: Find the app, make an alias of it, find the Apple Menu folder, drag the alias to it, then edit the name so it doesn't say "alias". You can't drag and drop on it.
Putting applications in the Dock: Find the app and drag it to the Dock. You can drag and drop files on the app icon to open them.
I really like the Dock.
If you use FinderPop (no-nags donate-ware), you can create aliases to a folder inside FinderPop's folder easily. Add your apple menu folder in FP folder and when you want to create an alias in it, control-click on the app's icon, hold down command-option key (iirc, it's been long since I use OS 9), and select your apple menu folder. No need to rename.
Another way, find the app and command-option-drag it to apple menu's folder. Again, no need to rename. You can also view your apple menu folder as popup window to make it easier to access.
I love Dock, however. It's a combination of launcher and app switcher. My only complain is the background is too light and transparent, making it hard to see if you have windows under the Dock. Also, I wish there was an option to make it not floating. So it acts like an ordinary window/panel but it'll pop when you bump your cursor against the Dock-side of the sreen.
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#27 2005-10-25 1:26 pm
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Re: The more I use OS X - the more I hate the dock
mahakali wrote:
My only complain is the background is too light and transparent, making it hard to see if you have windows under the Dock.
That is easily solveable with ClearDock from Unsanity. The only caveat is that you'll need the application enhancer (APE) framework to run it. Some people have reported major problems with APE, but I have not had a single problem with it.
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#28 2005-10-25 1:34 pm
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Re: The more I use OS X - the more I hate the dock
Nowt wrong with APE, just an awful lot of FUD and stupidity that I thought had been cleared up...
Whatever, Quicksilver makes a Mac.
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#29 2005-10-25 1:41 pm
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Re: The more I use OS X - the more I hate the dock
Zetetic Apparatchik wrote:
Nowt wrong with APE, just an awful lot of FUD and stupidity that I thought had been cleared up...
Whatever, Quicksilver makes a Mac.
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#30 2005-10-25 2:16 pm
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Re: The more I use OS X - the more I hate the dock
Quick question: do people generally (that's YOU) have dock magnification turned on or off?
Because I *still* consider myself a switcher n00b, I have it on just for the "cool" factor. But it's really friggin' annoying. Especially when trying to use the bottom toolbar in Dreamweaver, and icons keep inflating and getting in the way!! I still can't bring myself to turn it off though...
And that's my only gripe with it. That and the recycle bin, err, sorry trash, that's hard to keep-up with after a bottle of wine.
(^^ wait a minute, that's not wine!)
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#31 2005-10-25 2:51 pm
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Re: The more I use OS X - the more I hate the dock
I use neither Dock nor Quicksilver...
http://free.abracode.com/cmworkshop/quick_access.html
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#33 2005-10-25 7:05 pm
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Re: The more I use OS X - the more I hate the dock
I don't use dock much. I have (had) a shortcut to my apps folder. seems to work well for me. I can't stand a cluttered dock, so I only put the apps I use most on it (say 3-4).
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#34 2005-10-25 7:36 pm
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Re: The more I use OS X - the more I hate the dock
tomfoolery wrote:
Quick question: do people generally (that's YOU) have dock magnification turned on or off?
Because I *still* consider myself a switcher n00b, I have it on just for the "cool" factor. But it's really friggin' annoying.
Yep. I tried using hiding for awhile (for the screen real estate) but it just pissed me off too much.
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#35 2005-10-25 7:43 pm
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Re: The more I use OS X - the more I hate the dock
DragThing, when properly configured, is awesome, especially for computer labs. But, it doesn't replace the Apple Dock, because I don't like its Process Dock.
For labs, I have the tabbed DragThing shortcut Dock along the bottom of the screen and have apps organized by type/task. That way, people aren't required to psychically know what program "Widgin" does. Instead, they see the tasks and open the correct tab. They do have to choose between programs in the tab, but at least they're a lot closer to the right one than if everything jumbled together like in Apple's silly Dock.
The Apple Dock is useful for two things, in my experience:
1. Open items (although it's infuriating how minimized windows swap positions).
2. Shortcuts to folders for quick access.
The thing that bothers me the most about the Apple Dock, even when I use DragThing for shortcuts, is the way it has to be set to the smallest size when placed along the right side of the screen in order to not take away too much screen real estate (due to conflict with scroll bars). I have the Dock set to hide on my home Mac, but that's not acceptable in a lab environment, because people have no idea its' there and can't find minimized windows.
DragThing isn't ugly when the right settings are chosen. It's particularly great that it has a classroom mode that makes modification and quitting impossible without an administrator password as well as the ability to hide its icon in the Apple Dock, replacing it with a menu item. That keeps lab users from pointlessly clicking on a DragThing icon in the Apple Dock instead of going to the tabs along the bottom of the screen.
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#36 2005-10-25 11:59 pm
- mahakali
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Re: The more I use OS X - the more I hate the dock
MysticCow wrote:
mahakali wrote:
My only complain is the background is too light and transparent, making it hard to see if you have windows under the Dock.
That is easily solveable with ClearDock from Unsanity. The only caveat is that you'll need the application enhancer (APE) framework to run it. Some people have reported major problems with APE, but I have not had a single problem with it.
Thanks for the tip. I had a problem with APE in Jaguar days that I was quite traumatized. But I just downloaded it again and so far so good. 
The Dock, other than being a launcher/switcher and folder browser, is also great for working between apps. Try to drag selected text and drop it onto an app that's text based (Text Edit, BBEdit, DEVONthink, Script Editor, etc.) and it'll create a new document from dragged text. Drag an internet location (from you browser's location bar) on another browser and it'll open the location on that browser. drag it to another app (URL Manager PRo, for example) and it'll paste the dragged url.
I've slimmed down the number of apps have on the Dock in favor of Spotlight and Finder toolbar and sidebar though.
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#37 2005-10-26 11:16 am
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Re: The more I use OS X - the more I hate the dock
you're out of luck.
there are only ten-thousand ways to circumvent it.
ever heard of an obscure program called DragThing?
check it out.
it's brand-spankin'-new.
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#38 2005-10-26 1:41 pm
Re: The more I use OS X - the more I hate the dock
tomfoolery wrote:
Quick question: do people generally (that's YOU) have dock magnification turned on or off?
Because I *still* consider myself a switcher n00b, I have it on just for the "cool" factor. But it's really friggin' annoying. Especially when trying to use the bottom toolbar in Dreamweaver, and icons keep inflating and getting in the way!! I still can't bring myself to turn it off though...
And that's my only gripe with it. That and the recycle bin, err, sorry trash, that's hard to keep-up with after a bottle of wine.
(^^ wait a minute, that's not wine!)
tF
I turned that magnification thing off after the first time using the OS. It was beyond annoying.
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#39 2005-10-26 6:27 pm
Re: The more I use OS X - the more I hate the dock
I like the dock. I have it set to no bouncing, a fairly small size, and a tiny bit of magnification.
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#40 2005-11-04 5:25 pm
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Re: The more I use OS X - the more I hate the dock
user wrote:
Like I said, plenty of ways to get around the limitations Apple has imposed on OSX. They keep making it dumber, 3rd parties step up and fill in the gaps.
I totally agree with this. I personally hate the dock. I actually think that OSX in general has been a miserable failure. Sorry for being negative, but the system has been slow and clunky from day one and it has not improved much. I've been working in the publishing business for 10 years and I can say that OS 9.2 was a great publishing system. It was fast and RESPONSIVE—with no delays. OSX on the other hand is like working in OS 9.2 under water. All actions seem to be in slow motion and you can always count on the dreaded spinning rainbow wheel to chew up a good portion of your time.
And the dock. It just seems slow, and it gets in the way. I know most people have clicked on an app by mistake. The pulsating morphing app image was an attempt to appeal to the most basic computer user.
I've been producing a full color magazine for many years now. In OS 9.2 I could fly through it. In OSX it becomes a nightmare that takes much longer. I reverted to OS 9.2 more than once. Now I'm forced to use OSX. I've suggested to my employer to buy a pc for me. 
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#41 2005-11-04 5:45 pm
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Re: The more I use OS X - the more I hate the dock
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#42 2005-11-04 5:45 pm
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Re: The more I use OS X - the more I hate the dock
Did I mention...
iBubba wrote:
I use neither Dock nor Quicksilver...
http://free.abracode.com/cmworkshop/quick_access.html
?
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#43 2005-11-04 5:47 pm
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Re: The more I use OS X - the more I hate the dock
Bri_o wrote:
user wrote:
Like I said, plenty of ways to get around the limitations Apple has imposed on OSX. They keep making it dumber, 3rd parties step up and fill in the gaps.
I totally agree with this. I personally hate the dock. I actually think that OSX in general has been a miserable failure. Sorry for being negative, but the system has been slow and clunky from day one and it has not improved much. I've been working in the publishing business for 10 years and I can say that OS 9.2 was a great publishing system. It was fast and RESPONSIVE—with no delays. OSX on the other hand is like working in OS 9.2 under water. All actions seem to be in slow motion and you can always count on the dreaded spinning rainbow wheel to chew up a good portion of your time.
And the dock. It just seems slow, and it gets in the way. I know most people have clicked on an app by mistake. The pulsating morphing app image was an attempt to appeal to the most basic computer user.
I've been producing a full color magazine for many years now. In OS 9.2 I could fly through it. In OSX it becomes a nightmare that takes much longer. I reverted to OS 9.2 more than once. Now I'm forced to use OSX. I've suggested to my employer to buy a pc for me.
Computer type? I work in the printing industry, and since the transition to 10, all I have seen is improved performance on al levels.
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#44 2005-11-04 5:51 pm
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Re: The more I use OS X - the more I hate the dock
Bri_o wrote:
I totally agree with this. I personally hate the dock. I actually think that OSX in general has been a miserable failure. Sorry for being negative, but the system has been slow and clunky from day one and it has not improved much. I've been working in the publishing business for 10 years and I can say that OS 9.2 was a great publishing system. It was fast and RESPONSIVE—with no delays. OSX on the other hand is like working in OS 9.2 under water. All actions seem to be in slow motion and you can always count on the dreaded spinning rainbow wheel to chew up a good portion of your time.
I've been producing a full color magazine for many years now. In OS 9.2 I could fly through it. In OSX it becomes a nightmare that takes much longer. I reverted to OS 9.2 more than once. Now I'm forced to use OSX. I've suggested to my employer to buy a pc for me.
Just out of curiousity, what Mac do you have?
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#45 2005-11-04 6:18 pm
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Re: The more I use OS X - the more I hate the dock
MysticCow wrote:
Just out of curiousity, what Mac do you have?
I use a G4 — 1 gig ram, 500 mhz, 20 gig hd, 2002 model. I know this is an "older" model, but with all that ram, it should run my system efficiently. Now I'm guessing you'll suggest that if I buy the latest mac my computer/system speed delays will be solved, right?
That's Apples answer. Just keep buying, Apple will get it right, just keep opening your wallet. Apple kicked their customers in the croch when they came out with OSX in another way. All that hardware/software that was good with Classic SOON became less valuable or even obsolete. Core Apple customers, those who owned pre-OSX hardware—scanners, printers, etc overnight saw their equipment value drop to a fraction of what they paid.
It kills me to hear Macintosh advocates try to tell me how great Mac is after all that's happenned.
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#46 2005-11-04 6:29 pm
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Re: The more I use OS X - the more I hate the dock
Bri_o wrote:
MysticCow wrote:
Just out of curiousity, what Mac do you have?
I use a G4 — 1 gig ram, 500 mhz, 20 gig hd, 2002 model. I know this is an "older" model, but with all that ram, it should run my system efficiently. Now I'm guessing you'll suggest that if I buy the latest mac my computer/system speed delays will be solved, right?
That's Apples answer. Just keep buying, Apple will get it right, just keep opening your wallet. Apple kicked their customers in the croch when they came out with OSX in another way. All that hardware/software that was good with Classic SOON became less valuable or even obsolete. Core Apple customers, those who owned pre-OSX hardware—scanners, printers, etc overnight saw their equipment value drop to a fraction of what they paid.
It kills me to hear Macintosh advocates try to tell me how great Mac is after all that's happenned.
..let me get this straight - you'll pardon my lack of tact, I hope.
You're considering actually asking the powers that be to buy you a NEW Windows rig, complete with software and fonts, but you have serious reservations about asking for a new G5 rig?
Color me not understanding and borderline not giving a squirt. Shall I punch some number for you to display the incredible fault in finances and logic? I think not - you gotta be smarter than that, mate.
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#47 2005-11-04 6:37 pm
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Re: The more I use OS X - the more I hate the dock
iBubba wrote:
. . . you gotta be smarter than that, mate.
Seeing is believing. It's all about performance. I've worked on pc's that are responsive. In fact, since Windows 98 I've liked the pc performance for publishing programs like Quark, Photoshop and the like. PC's get an undeserving rap.
I've been hearing the OSX era is going to be great for two years now. Hype, hype, hype, and no substance.
Sorry, mate.
BTW, my last three posts were a rant that has been repressed deep in my psyche. I'm glad I got that off my chest. Now I wont have to carry that around with me anymore. Thanks for giving just enough interest for me to dump that on you. 
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#48 2005-11-04 7:02 pm
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Re: The more I use OS X - the more I hate the dock
While there are lots of things I wish Apple had done differently with OSX it is still head and shoulders better than Windows.
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#49 2005-11-04 7:21 pm
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Re: The more I use OS X - the more I hate the dock
Your choice to use Mac is an individual one. If you like it, then it's right for you. I'm no computer wizzard. I just know what's right for ME.
Over the years I've known people in the Mac and PC camps. The one observation that I've had that seems to be consistent is:
If you start out a Mac homer, you stay a Mac homer.
And,
If you start out a PC homer, you stay a PC homer.
Rarely do you see people cross the fence.
Petty wierd, huh.
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#50 2005-11-04 7:26 pm
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Re: The more I use OS X - the more I hate the dock
Bri_o wrote:
MysticCow wrote:
Just out of curiousity, what Mac do you have?
I use a G4 — 1 gig ram, 500 mhz, 20 gig hd, 2002 model. I know this is an "older" model, but with all that ram, it should run my system efficiently. Now I'm guessing you'll suggest that if I buy the latest mac my computer/system speed delays will be solved, right?
That's Apples answer. Just keep buying, Apple will get it right, just keep opening your wallet. Apple kicked their customers in the croch when they came out with OSX in another way. All that hardware/software that was good with Classic SOON became less valuable or even obsolete. Core Apple customers, those who owned pre-OSX hardware—scanners, printers, etc overnight saw their equipment value drop to a fraction of what they paid.
It kills me to hear Macintosh advocates try to tell me how great Mac is after all that's happenned.
I'm assuming you either have a Sawtooth or a G4 Cube. Both systems can have their processor upgraded, which will give new life to the system, especially with 1 GB of RAM. No need to even think of a new system when a processor upgrade can breathe new life into it. And it's less expensive than a new system.
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