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#1 2005-11-06 9:05 pm
MacTel Powerbooks.(Rumormill type stuff)
I'm looking at my faithful old Pismo. I bought it stock almost six years ago, the only build-to-order option I chose was a 30gb hard drive. It's the 400mhz model.
Since then I've added an AirPort card, and an extra 512MB of RAM. When the DVD-ROM died I replaced it with a Combo Drive. I've traveled with it through Alaska, California, Washington State, New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia, down the Inside passage on the way from AK to WA.
I started with OS 8.5 on it (IIRC), happily moved up to 9. When the public beta of OS X came out, I put that on it (poor little thing, running OSX beta with 256mb of ram) and never looked back. Now it's running 10.4... and its age is showing more than ever. Excepting the little point updates, it's likely that it has seen its last OS upgrade - hell, 10.5 probably won't be offered for it.
When I settled down a little, I got a G5. It's more than enough to handle stuff at home... but it looks like I might start moving around again soon (job stuff, not domestic turmoil - it's all good news, but I don't want to say yet and count my chickens, you know
). If so, I'm not sure that the Pismo will be up to the job, and will need to be retired.
If that happens, I'm sure as hell not shelling out $1,500 - 2,500 on a G4 PowerBook when there's a processor paragdim shift coming. I'm sure there are plenty of good things left to be said about the current line of PowerBooks... but from my point of view they'd be obsolete before I open the box - hell, before I ordered the box.
So... as it stands right now, when are we looking to see the MacTel PowerBooks, do you think? Early 2006? Late 2006? What are we anticipating the specs will be?
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#2 2005-11-06 9:15 pm
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It better be before August. If not, I'm screwed.
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#3 2005-11-06 9:17 pm
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Thrica wrote:
It better be before August. If not, I'm screwed.
That's an odd statement. Why, what's up?
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#4 2005-11-06 9:20 pm
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Yup, I'm looking forward to it. tibook 400 could use some relief.
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#5 2005-11-06 9:24 pm
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i still wouldn't buy the first version of any 'book. wait till revision 2 comes out and avoid all the little twitches revisions 1 are known for.
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#6 2005-11-06 9:28 pm
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Re: MacTel Powerbooks.(Rumormill type stuff)
AppleInsider thinks April/May 2006 for the 15" Intel PB with built in camera and late 2006 for the 17" IntelPB with camera. 12" PB will finally be phased out in favor of 13" widescreen iBooks. There's a chance Apple will use the dual core Yonah chips in the new PB's while the iBooks remain on standard single core chips. That's what they said.
Pro apps that currently require AltiVec probably won't go Intel for a few years yet.
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#7 2005-11-06 9:28 pm
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oatmeal wrote:
That's an odd statement. Why, what's up?
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I have faith they'll release it at least by June though, and ThinkSecret thinks it'll be even earlier. If I'm really lucky, I might even get a Rev2 before then.
If not, though, I'll definitely get AppleCare. That should cover any quirks with Rev1 hardware.
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#8 2005-11-06 9:29 pm
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oatmeal wrote:
Thrica wrote:
It better be before August. If not, I'm screwed.
That's an odd statement. Why, what's up?
I'd imagine it's a school thang.
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#9 2005-11-06 9:31 pm
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Thrica wrote:
oatmeal wrote:
That's an odd statement. Why, what's up?
College time! Laptop required.
I have faith they'll release it at least by June though, and ThinkSecret thinks it'll be even earlier. If I'm really lucky, I might even get a Rev2 before then.
Wow. It's been so long since I've been in the market I practically forgot those rumor sites even EXIST.
How nice. 
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Looks like you're right. 
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#10 2005-11-06 9:36 pm
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Re: MacTel Powerbooks.(Rumormill type stuff)
Why is it anticipated that Apple will release a 15 Intel PowerBook alone and then the 17 later? Is it some development thing, or just because, or what?
I'm pretty sure they won't just upgrade the 15 to Intel and leave the 17 with a G4 until the Intel 17 comes out. That would be crazy.
So I guess they are just going to have a 15 PowerBook for a while since the 17 comes later and the 12 will supposedly be dropped.
But I think I'm still deffinetly getting a 17 PowerBook within the next few weeks. That'll last me the next 5 years at most, so within that time maybe I'll get an Intel version. This G3 iMac is 5 years old and works perfectly with 10.3.9, so I except about the same for the PowerBook.
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#11 2005-11-06 10:33 pm
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Wait... aren't the intel PBooks supposed to come in January... what else would need upgrading to intel?


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#12 2005-11-06 11:30 pm
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January is too soon.
Apple will not upgrade any of the PowerBooks alone. Everything is done in uniform at Apple now. I do suspect that the 15 incher will get the most prominent upgrades, just as it and the 17 inch one got most recently.
Built-in camera may be a longer way off than that. Apple likes to keep the laptop screens very thin. Will show up eventually, but not too soon. I think it may show up in the iBooks first.
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#13 2005-11-06 11:40 pm
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I miss the rumormill.
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#14 2005-11-06 11:43 pm
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I miss the rumormill.
It hasn't really gone away, it's just been absorbed by the Circuit Board.
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#16 2005-11-07 3:15 am
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ukimalefu wrote:
If I could afford it now, I would buy a Powerbook now. But MWSF is very close so it's ok to wait until january.
So are we thinking MWSF is likely?
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#17 2005-11-07 8:10 am
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Judging by Apple's history to never do things when people need them done, i'd say they are announced in June (about the time of the WWDC, isn't it?) and won't ship until August or so (they might ship immediately though, since Intel shouldn't have a problem meeting Apple's demand).
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#18 2005-11-07 8:59 am
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I think the Intel based PowerBooks will be announced 6 to 12 months after the release of the Intel based Mac desktops are being sold. So start counting down to the intel PBs then.
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#19 2005-11-07 10:20 am
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My $.02,
Powerbooks, iBooks, Mini, iMac, Power Macs,.... in that order. Starting in Q1 2006 and finsihing Q3-4 2007.
Reasoning,
Powerbooks need the update the most. Mobile systems in general need the boost from the Pentium M or a derivative. Mini's would benefit from the bump for the PC to Mac converts, maybe the same Pentium M or similar. iMacs have been recently updated, giving Apple time to cash in on them. Apple has publicly stated that the pro series will be the last to switch, giving Apple ample time to cash in on all those new innovations they have in mind for the PM line.
I also would expect a bump in each line, 6-9 months after the first Intel introductions. Call that one Rev. B. Maybe some minor hardware bumps or some smoothing of details.
Of course I could be completely off the map, what the hell do I know about Apple marketing, but it seems logical to me.
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#20 2005-11-07 10:43 am
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Corelogik wrote:
My $.02,
Powerbooks, iBooks, Mini, iMac, Power Macs,.... in that order. Starting in Q1 2006 and finsihing Q3-4 2007.

Did you forget that there already exist Mactel Powermacs? And you think they'll take an extra year to release them?
I think it's much more simple. Pro-machines, then consumer-machines.
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#21 2005-11-07 11:17 am
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lord funk wrote:
Corelogik wrote:
My $.02,
Powerbooks, iBooks, Mini, iMac, Power Macs,.... in that order. Starting in Q1 2006 and finsihing Q3-4 2007.
Did you forget that there already exist Mactel Powermacs? And you think they'll take an extra year to release them?
I think it's much more simple. Pro-machines, then consumer-machines.
I thought those were still IBM chips?
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#22 2005-11-07 11:24 am
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Zander wrote:
lord funk wrote:
Corelogik wrote:
My $.02,
Powerbooks, iBooks, Mini, iMac, Power Macs,.... in that order. Starting in Q1 2006 and finsihing Q3-4 2007.
Did you forget that there already exist Mactel Powermacs? And you think they'll take an extra year to release them?
I think it's much more simple. Pro-machines, then consumer-machines.I thought those were still IBM chips?
I think he's talking about the developer's Mactels
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#23 2005-11-07 11:29 am
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I think it will go consumer first then pro line. The current crop of high-end Intel chips fail on their promise of power per watt. The dual core Xeon just released is an oven compared to the 970FX or the Opteron and the Opteron still spanks it.
Intel is hosing themselves by not getting the memory controller on chip. The 970FX is only a bit worse but makes up for it by having a kick ass FSB.
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#24 2005-11-07 11:48 am
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Apple has said they will do consumer models first.
The mini and the iBook have the same basic guts now, and not only Apple will want to keep those cost/volume savings, they need laptop components to make the mini work from a thermal standpoiny, so they will probably get refreshed at the same time.
With a G5 in it, the iMac has become more "prosumer." Which means the mini/ibook are probably first in line.
But the Powerbooks have to be redone before or concurrently with the iBooks... can't have the iBooks running performance loops around the pro machines, after all.
I would guess performance previews and possibly a paper release of the intel 'books and mini in January, with shipments coming a few months later, possible with altered configurations based on feedback from customer surveys and people with NDAs (like they did with the iMac, announcing it in June and shipping it in august with a faster modem than they originally said they would.) Regardless of when they're anounced, they'll definitely be shipping by June - Apple has to produce something one year from the original announcement, and there's no technical hurdle to them doing so. The reason we got the 1 year lead time was to give developers the lead time they need, and to give Apple time to work out the kinks in the bits of its software that prevent OS X from running on a Dell. (and knowing that some of your developers will violate the NDA and every BSD or Linux geek with an extra x86 machine is going to try and get it running on their hardware is a great way to identify and eliminate 99% of the possible methods.)
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#25 2005-11-07 3:23 pm
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Apple rent space in a very large department store near me, and throughout the UK. Recently, they stopped stocking iBooks, citing an imminent release of Intel iBooks before Christmas.
Not only the iBook, but it also seems as though other machines are being 'deleted' from the store.
I don't generally read too much into these things, but this has made me think. I can imagine the huge loss in Christmas sales if Apple don't pull something out of Santa's sack beforehand.
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