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My aunt has serious health problems brought on by stress and drinking way too much caffeine.  Her doctor told her that she needed to quit drinking caffeine right away, or that she might die.

My aunt told my sister this as she (my aunt) pulled into a Starbucks to buy another giant whosawhatsit.

Have fun with your machine.  Remember, everything in moderation!

*runs off to find a Red Bull*

red bull smells like spoiled noodles. (sickly sweet smell)

Pithecanthropus wrote:

Ready for some facts that might ruin your high?

A shot of espresso has less caffiene in it than a cup of regular coffee.

A French, Italian or Espresso roast has less caffeine than a more normal roast (called a Full City Roast) because most of it has been roasted out of the bean.  Think of it like a steak; which is juicier, one cooked rare or one cooked well done?

Arabica beans have less caffeine than Robusta beans.  But Arabica is a better quality, better tasting bean.

So if you really want to blast yourself with caffeine, buy a lightly roasted Robusta.  Espresso's jolt is an illusion.

Sorry.

not so with cold press. or a 12 shot mocha. espresso is a blend of beans, and some blends are roasted darker than others. if you use a light roast espresso with a toddy cold press maker, the caffeine ratio is much higher than standard espresso. oz for oz, espresso has a higher caffeine ratio than standard coffee, which is why a 12 shot short pour 16 oz mocha has much more caffeine than a 16 oz cup of light roasted coffee bean.

Pithecanthropus wrote:

Ready for some facts that might ruin your high?

A shot of espresso has less caffiene in it than a cup of regular coffee.

A French, Italian or Espresso roast has less caffeine than a more normal roast (called a Full City Roast) because most of it has been roasted out of the bean.  Think of it like a steak; which is juicier, one cooked rare or one cooked well done?

Arabica beans have less caffeine than Robusta beans.  But Arabica is a better quality, better tasting bean.

So if you really want to blast yourself with caffeine, buy a lightly roasted Robusta.  Espresso's jolt is an illusion.

Sorry.

One shot of whiskey has the same amount of alcohol as one beer despite being considerably smaller.  How drunk you get depends on the quantity of either you drink... and your bladder is going to fill up from the beer a lot faster than the  whiskey.

Similarly, one shot of espresso has a little less caffeine than one cup of coffee, yes.  You're quite right about that much.

Each cup I was making had about three shots in it, and I had three in quick succession.

Espresso's jolt is most definitely not an illusion.  Or is cocaine's effect an illusion because crack is so much more powerful too? 

Help! I cant stop staring at that thing!!!

You people are addicts.

Tell me again why caffeine is legal and pot is not?

agedgruel wrote:

You people are addicts.

Tell me again why caffeine is legal and pot is not?

MacAddicts

Last edited by iBubba (2005-11-16 12:03 pm)

Pithecanthropus wrote:

Freezer mac wrote:

not so with cold press. or a 12 shot mocha. espresso is a blend of beans, and some blends are roasted darker than others. if you use a light roast espresso with a toddy cold press maker, the caffeine ratio is much higher than standard espresso. oz for oz, espresso has a higher caffeine ratio than standard coffee, which is why a 12 shot short pour 16 oz mocha has much more caffeine than a 16 oz cup of light roasted coffee bean.

I said a shot of espresso has less caffeine than a cup of coffee.  If you're drinking 12 ounces of espresso, that is not one shot.  One shot is 1.5 ounces, a Ristretto is about .75 ounces (+/-); you're still drinking 6 full shots.  So, yes, your 12 shot mocha has more caffeine than an 16 oz. cup of coffee (keep in mind that 16 ounces of coffee is only 2 cups).

12 oz. cup of coffee = 230 milligrams of caffeine [average]
1.5–2 oz. shot of espresso = 80–100 milligrams of caffeine

You can't make a cold press shot of espresso.  Espresso requires pressure which comes from steam (10 atmospheres for a commercial machine, about 1.5 for a consumer model).  Cold press shouldn't even come into this conversation.

Espresso is not a blend of beans, it is a roast, slightly darker than French Roast.  You may buy a blend of beans at your local whatever that they label "Espresso," but my 12 years of roasting coffee tells me that you are mistaken when you say that espresso is a blend of beans.

no, you are mistaken. you say you roast coffee, yet you don't know that espresso can be lightly roasted. if you blacken your espresso it will taste lousy, and it will have very low quality crema. which is why, instead of getting your low quality espresso, i get lavazza. from a company who actually knows how to make good coffee.

as far as a cold press goes, when you make a cold press using an espresso blend, then you have a cold press espresso, even though it wasn't steam extracted.

you may have 12 years of roasting experience, but i wouldn't buy your coffee, not from what you have shown me of your ignorance of espresso.
perhaps you should take a look at this site:
http://www.coffeeresearch.org/espresso/potential.htm

Freezer mac wrote:

no, you are mistaken. you say you roast coffee, yet you don't know that espresso can be lightly roasted. if you blacken your espresso it will taste lousy, and it will have very low quality crema. which is why, instead of getting your low quality espresso, i get lavazza. from a company who actually knows how to make good coffee.

I never said that we use Espresso Roast to make our espresso.  I agree that it has had the life roasted right out of it.  We use what we call a French Roast, and I don't even bring that to a full French.  Unfortunately, we use only Costa Rican beans, which was the owner's decision, not mine.

as far as a cold press goes, when you make a cold press using an espresso blend, then you have a cold press espresso, even though it wasn't steam extracted.

Not so.  Espresso is, by it's litteral definition, expressing liquid produced under pressure.  Cold press is just letting beans steep like tea.  Haven't had it myself, heard it's tasty and not at all bitter.

you may have 12 years of roasting experience, but i wouldn't buy your coffee, not from what you have shown me of your ignorance of espresso.

I wouldn't want you as a customer.  You're rude.

I have the same espresso machine. I grind my own, usually a light roast Breakfast Blend, like Starbucks.

It tastes good, and it seems quite perky.

I am addicted to my French Press though, and that is usually where my beans go.

Chickenhawk wrote:

Freezer mac wrote:

Pithecanthropus wrote:

Not so.  Espresso is, by it's litteral definition, expressing liquid produced under pressure.  Cold press is just letting beans steep like tea.  Haven't had it myself, heard it's tasty and not at all bitter.

then how would you make an iced espresso drink? make hot espresso and then ice it like starshmucks?  or do you only roast the bean, not make coffee?

That is how you make it. Thats also how you make iced coffee.

You don't know as much about coffee as you think.

if you want low quality, weak coffee, you put ice in a hot brew. if you want high quality strong iced coffee, you use a toddy machine. period. ice melts in your coffee, reducing the strength and flavor of it. if you start with something that is already cold, there is no reason to add ice, unless you want to rip off your customers, or if they ask for ice in their beverage.
and if you use that powdered stuff, shame on you.

Last edited by Freezer mac (2005-11-16 4:19 pm)

I wouldn't drink an iced espresso drink if you bought me one.  Cold is the quickest way to kill an espresso shot.

However, when I was working as a Barista we would pre-mix iced "cappuccinos" by mixing hot espresso and cold milk and then regfrigerating.  Then you'd just put ice in a glass and pour the mix.

Damn those ice cubes anyway, they water down my gin & tonic!!  But who wants to drink warm gin?  ::shudder::

Look, I don't want to fight about this.  Espresso is brewed hot, that's the only way to do it.  If you're making something with cold water, it ain't espresso.  As long as you enjoy it; that's all that matters.

I've roasted over 75,000 pounds of coffee this year so far, so I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing. 

And I'm sorry I called you rude.  You caught me at a bad time.