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#26 2005-12-06 8:59 pm

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Re: NEW tv networks on iTunes!

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on vidipod you can chose widescreen or full

Those videos have already been cropped for fullscreen. That data is permanently gone. Playing them at a widescreen aspect ratio would only make them look worse. They'd be squished.

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And on a side note. Apple's horrible compression is enough to keep me from downloading BSG on iTunes. Those episodes are all blurry, bleh.

Quite honestly, Apple's "large" movie trailers look 10 times better  then the content they sell on iTunes.

have you played with a vidipod? while full screen is definately better until they get the widescreen ipods out in january or whenever, it's still a decent experience.

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#27 2005-12-06 9:18 pm

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Re: NEW tv networks on iTunes!

mr. penguin wrote:

AAPL Shareholder wrote:

mr. penguin wrote:

on vidipod you can chose widescreen or full

Those videos have already been cropped for fullscreen. That data is permanently gone. Playing them at a widescreen aspect ratio would only make them look worse. They'd be squished.

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And on a side note. Apple's horrible compression is enough to keep me from downloading BSG on iTunes. Those episodes are all blurry, bleh.

Quite honestly, Apple's "large" movie trailers look 10 times better  then the content they sell on iTunes.

have you played with a vidipod? while full screen is definately better until they get the widescreen ipods out in january or whenever, it's still a decent experience.

I agree.  I expected the video experience to be poor on an iPod, but I went and tried one and it is not too bad.  People complaining about resolution and quality of the videos need to understand a few key points:  Apple has optimized these videos for faster downloads and playback on an iPod, not for viewing on a computer screen or watching on TV (you can't even burn them).  Additionally, this entire concept right now is basically a pilot project, or a proof-of-concept for bigger and better things to come.  If Apple can demonstrate proof of concept, and show that people are willing to pay to download content, then the can justify the investment in the next steps, which will hopefully include HD, more choices and more playback/burn options, better playback and organization software (iTV anyone?).  These things are costly to develop and implement and Apple is just scratching the surface of the top of the iceburg right now.


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#28 2005-12-06 10:26 pm

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Re: NEW tv networks on iTunes!

mr. penguin wrote:

AAPL Shareholder wrote:

mr. penguin wrote:

on vidipod you can chose widescreen or full

Those videos have already been cropped for fullscreen. That data is permanently gone. Playing them at a widescreen aspect ratio would only make them look worse. They'd be squished.

---

And on a side note. Apple's horrible compression is enough to keep me from downloading BSG on iTunes. Those episodes are all blurry, bleh.

Quite honestly, Apple's "large" movie trailers look 10 times better  then the content they sell on iTunes.

have you played with a vidipod? while full screen is definately better until they get the widescreen ipods out in january or whenever, it's still a decent experience.

Video iPod aside for the moment, I watch ripped media on my laptop and or TV. I'd prefer to see the whole show, not a cropped version.

And yes, I have played with a video iPod on several occasions. If I ever bought one of those things it would be for playing music, not watching movies. Widescreen content is horrible on those things, and even at fullscreen, I don't know why you'd want to watch hour long shows and extended mini series' on a 2in screen. Moreover, the video iPod really struggles with decoding larger media files.


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#29 2005-12-06 10:53 pm

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Re: NEW tv networks on iTunes!

meh. the scifi channel needs to offer more than 2 shows.

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#30 2005-12-06 11:24 pm

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Re: NEW tv networks on iTunes!

Indeed. Would it not be prudent of them to offer up Stargate SG-1 and it's sister series Stargate Atlantis?

Also would not The Dead Zone & The 4400 also be popular additions for USA.

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#31 2005-12-07 12:33 am

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Re: NEW tv networks on iTunes!

Freezer mac wrote:

meh. the scifi channel needs to offer more than 2 shows.

More like more then one.


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#32 2005-12-07 1:48 am

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Re: NEW tv networks on iTunes!

Viewing the itunes videos full screen on a 17 inch monitor wasn't all that bad. You simply have to back up a foot or two. For 2 bucks a pop and the fact they where intended to work first and formost with the ipod, what did you expect?

I do agree, scifi needs to add more shows.

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#33 2005-12-07 2:13 am

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Re: NEW tv networks on iTunes!

indeed. i was able to catch up on the 2nd season of Lost because my friend had downloaded the episodes from the iTVS. we sat on her couch about 5 feet away and it was like watching regular TV. a bit fuzzy at times, but not bad.


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#34 2005-12-07 3:34 am

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Re: NEW tv networks on iTunes!

Well, this is a start...

The revolution will NOT be televised!  wink


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#35 2005-12-07 3:57 am

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Re: NEW tv networks on iTunes!

Avari wrote:

Viewing the itunes videos full screen on a 17 inch monitor wasn't all that bad. You simply have to back up a foot or two. For 2 bucks a pop and the fact they where intended to work first and formost with the ipod, what did you expect?

I do agree, scifi needs to add more shows.

I doubt they could go much higher then bucks. If you were to take a few DVD season box sets, break them up, you'd find that you're paying around 2 bucks per episode.

And I don't know about the whole "first and foremost with the iPod" thing. With computer playback, TV out on the iPod, the onset of Front Row, and remote controlled iMacs, it looks like Apple clearly wants people to watch video content on a large display as well.

And hey, the iPod is not Apple's front running media player. The iPodMini and now iPodNano are what people gobble up.

If Apple is weighting their video content to the iPod, they're ignoring the fact that the majority of their customers will be capable of desktop / laptop playback... not iPod playback.


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#36 2005-12-07 9:00 am

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Re: NEW tv networks on iTunes!

AAPL Shareholder wrote:

Avari wrote:

Viewing the itunes videos full screen on a 17 inch monitor wasn't all that bad. You simply have to back up a foot or two. For 2 bucks a pop and the fact they where intended to work first and formost with the ipod, what did you expect?

I do agree, scifi needs to add more shows.

I doubt they could go much higher then bucks. If you were to take a few DVD season box sets, break them up, you'd find that you're paying around 2 bucks per episode.

And I don't know about the whole "first and foremost with the iPod" thing. With computer playback, TV out on the iPod, the onset of Front Row, and remote controlled iMacs, it looks like Apple clearly wants people to watch video content on a large display as well.

And hey, the iPod is not Apple's front running media player. The iPodMini and now iPodNano are what people gobble up.

If Apple is weighting their video content to the iPod, they're ignoring the fact that the majority of their customers will be capable of desktop / laptop playback... not iPod playback.

When you buy a DVD set, you aren't paying for bandwidth…


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#37 2005-12-07 10:34 am

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Re: NEW tv networks on iTunes!

Considerations for iTMS market

* Resolution of lowest supported device [320 x 240] (This allows it to be playable on all supported devices without having to provide multiple file sizes and or formats.)

* Resolution of average television broadcast [320 x 240] (Standard television is typically 320 x 240 stretched onto a 640 x 480 screen. So, sorry, your stretching issue on high resolution displays exists outside of HDTV signals and DVD anyway.)

* Delivery considerations (Internet delivery requires bandwidth and while MPEG-4 scales better than other things, higher resolution still equals larger file size.)

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#38 2005-12-07 11:50 am

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Re: NEW tv networks on iTunes!

holy crap. i don't know how i missed the addition of the entire first season of alfred hitchcock.


suck it, trebek.

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#39 2005-12-07 4:26 pm

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Re: NEW tv networks on iTunes!

ConnertheCat wrote:

AAPL Shareholder wrote:

Avari wrote:

Viewing the itunes videos full screen on a 17 inch monitor wasn't all that bad. You simply have to back up a foot or two. For 2 bucks a pop and the fact they where intended to work first and formost with the ipod, what did you expect?

I do agree, scifi needs to add more shows.

I doubt they could go much higher then bucks. If you were to take a few DVD season box sets, break them up, you'd find that you're paying around 2 bucks per episode.

And I don't know about the whole "first and foremost with the iPod" thing. With computer playback, TV out on the iPod, the onset of Front Row, and remote controlled iMacs, it looks like Apple clearly wants people to watch video content on a large display as well.

And hey, the iPod is not Apple's front running media player. The iPodMini and now iPodNano are what people gobble up.

If Apple is weighting their video content to the iPod, they're ignoring the fact that the majority of their customers will be capable of desktop / laptop playback... not iPod playback.

When you buy a DVD set, you aren't paying for bandwidth…

Apple is probably spending less then $2 per GB transferred. Possibly significantly less since I'm basing that cheesy estimate on costs for small enterprises. 

And although you aren't paying for bandwidth by selling a box set, let look at what you do need to pay for.

You have to pay a firm to do package design for the case and interactive design / authoring for the content. Then there is press (typically a high-end 4 color job), manufacturing, and shipping. And that's not including the production of any special features that may need to be added.


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#40 2005-12-07 8:52 pm

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Re: NEW tv networks on iTunes!

misskim wrote:

iloveillustrator wrote:

I demand Subtitle (or closed caption) :'(

I send feedback to Apple twice. Hope they listen. sad

P.S. I am hearing impaired, don't forget! There are 26 millions hearing loss in North America.

Count me in as one of them, and I'd like to be able to enjoy the shows they offer now. So glad to see that this is taking off though! Good for Apple, and I hope they continue to improve on it.

Did you complain that iTunes's songs didn't include the lyrics????


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#41 2005-12-08 1:08 am

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Re: NEW tv networks on iTunes!

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Apple is probably spending less then $2 per GB transferred. Possibly significantly less since I'm basing that cheesy estimate on costs for small enterprises.

Yes but what you also have to consider as far as band width is concerned is that Apple, even if $2 a GB all they're spending, you have to know they don't want to spend any more money than they absolutely have to and that if they did offer shows in larger resolutions, people would be bitching about how long it takes to download a show and might even be less willing to buy them because of it. Apple has most certainly considered that.

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#42 2005-12-08 3:17 am

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I don't recall what network it was on, but it would be cool to see The Equalizer again.  smile


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#43 2005-12-08 8:43 am

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Re: NEW tv networks on iTunes!

When the coolness wear off after a few show, how many have the energy and eyesight to enjoy hrs of video entertainment on a 2in screen!


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#44 2005-12-08 9:57 am

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Re: NEW tv networks on iTunes!

pcguy wrote:

When the coolness wear off after a few show, how many have the energy and eyesight to enjoy hrs of video entertainment on a 2in screen!

Don't tell the people that have used their gameboys for years... eek


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#45 2005-12-08 11:41 am

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Re: NEW tv networks on iTunes!

Ya, but Battle Star Galactica looks nice on big screen... gameboy Tetris doesn't. shrug


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#46 2005-12-08 1:12 pm

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Re: NEW tv networks on iTunes!

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Ya, but Battle Star Galactica looks nice on big screen... gameboy Tetris doesn't. shrug

Tetris?  Welcome to like 1988.


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#47 2005-12-08 1:39 pm

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Re: NEW tv networks on iTunes!

mrreet2001 wrote:

misskim wrote:

iloveillustrator wrote:

I demand Subtitle (or closed caption) :'(

I send feedback to Apple twice. Hope they listen. sad

P.S. I am hearing impaired, don't forget! There are 26 millions hearing loss in North America.

Count me in as one of them, and I'd like to be able to enjoy the shows they offer now. So glad to see that this is taking off though! Good for Apple, and I hope they continue to improve on it.

Did you complain that iTunes's songs didn't include the lyrics????

No, but now that you mention it, I'll suggest it wink I can enjoy hearing music for the sake of it without lyrics although having them around does add to it. With TV shows, I'm lost without CC and I think that this is something that would be relatively simple to include.

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#48 2005-12-08 3:27 pm

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Re: NEW tv networks on iTunes!

misskim wrote:

mrreet2001 wrote:

misskim wrote:


Count me in as one of them, and I'd like to be able to enjoy the shows they offer now. So glad to see that this is taking off though! Good for Apple, and I hope they continue to improve on it.

Did you complain that iTunes's songs didn't include the lyrics????

No, but now that you mention it, I'll suggest it wink I can enjoy hearing music for the sake of it without lyrics although having them around does add to it. With TV shows, I'm lost without CC and I think that this is something that would be relatively simple to include.

Actually you would pretty much have to either rewrite the technology or release all of the shows with and with out captions. So it's very logical why they didn't.


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#49 2005-12-08 9:41 pm

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Re: NEW tv networks on iTunes!

pcguy wrote:

When the coolness wear off after a few show, how many have the energy and eyesight to enjoy hrs of video entertainment on a 2in screen!

How is it that so many people overlook the fact that the iPod now has video out?


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#50 2006-08-10 9:39 am

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Re: NEW tv networks on iTunes!

There are several differnt type of hearing impaired. There is oral who train speech and learn how to hearing and other one is loss hearing, they do hearing music as well. Probably half amount of disabiltiies would want it.

I would like to have iPod if that offer [cc] on it. Thank to new quicktime's feature on Lenoard. Theory, it's possible to have next iPod with CC mode. (hey, i am make rumor!)

ConnertheCat wrote:

nerdbunnie wrote:

ConnertheCat wrote:


TV on iTunes is to sell Video iPods (like iTMS is used to sell iPods)... how many deaf/hard of hearing people own iPods?

I hardly think that's the point.  If they are providing content that is available to be watched (which is captioned on television) then it would be nice to have the captioning capability with these downloads as well.  Perhaps this doesn't affect you, but it does affect many people.  I do not have any hearing impairments, but I do watch most of my television programs with the captioning turned on - I just like it that way...and I wouldn't mind videos on iTMS having captioning as well.

I'm well aware of the whole deaf bit - I go to school with a ton of hearing impaired students.  But seriously, I doubt one of the target demographics for the iTunes Music Store are deaf people.


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