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#1 2005-12-30 9:24 pm
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Universal languages
Does anyone here speak any of the scientific universal languages? I want to learn either Ido or Esperanto to aid me in learning other languages, and also to have that cool factor. Ido seems to be even more formulaic, although Esperanto has many many more speakers and even a television station. I want to learn this because I've heard that learning either of these and then a foreign language is quicker than learning just the foreign language, because knowing a universal language helps your brain understand the mechanics of language in general.
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#2 2005-12-30 9:32 pm
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Re: Universal languages
Artificial languages are doomed to failure. Learning another natural language is a much better way to understand language in general.
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#3 2005-12-30 9:37 pm
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Re: Universal languages
Tallgeese wrote:
Artificial languages are doomed to failure. Learning another natural language is a much better way to understand language in general.
except for Quenya, Sindarin and Klingon.
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#4 2005-12-30 9:52 pm
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Re: Universal languages
Learning Esperanto can make a trip through Europe cheap. There is a system in place wherein some Esperanto speakers grant free lodging in their homes to any fluent Esperanto speaker. The program is called Pasporta Servo.
There is also evidence that learning Esperanto, due to its construction, makes it easier to learn many second languages, and it can be faster to learn Esperanto and another language than just the second natural language.
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#5 2005-12-30 10:02 pm
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jhota wrote:
Tallgeese wrote:
Artificial languages are doomed to failure. Learning another natural language is a much better way to understand language in general.
except for Quenya, Sindarin and Klingon.
Not exactly. For example, Urdu was formed from Arabic, Persian, and Turkish to suit immediate needs. Swahili was created was created from Bantu, Arabic, and Persian for the same purpose. Both languages are still spoken today.
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#6 2005-12-30 10:15 pm
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Love is universal. I speak it almost fluently. Here goes. Ahem.
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#7 2005-12-30 10:17 pm
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I agree, learn a second natural language.
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#8 2005-12-30 10:20 pm
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Re: Universal languages
OKAY.
Back to the original topic, this sounds like a great idea to me.
I was going to study latin as a means to more quickly learn other languages or understand other languages without speaking them fluently, and now it seems after researching a bit, as if studying Esperanto alongside latin would be a good idea, and quite enjoyable. It looks easier than spanish.
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#9 2005-12-30 10:23 pm
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StaticAge wrote:
I agree, learn a second natural language.
I've read in two places now that studying eperanto makes studying a second natural language easier.
It certainly looks as if it could make studying several natural languages easier.
Well, I'm going to give it a go and find out for myself.
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#10 2005-12-30 10:45 pm
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ironhawk wrote:
StaticAge wrote:
I agree, learn a second natural language.
I've read in two places now that studying eperanto makes studying a second natural language easier.
It certainly looks as if it could make studying several natural languages easier.
Well, I'm going to give it a go and find out for myself.
Learning any language makes learning another easier.
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#11 2005-12-30 10:50 pm
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Re: Universal languages
For anyone who has learned an artificial language or willreport back! I'd love to know the learning curve.
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#12 2005-12-31 3:47 am
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fastman wrote:
ironhawk wrote:
StaticAge wrote:
I agree, learn a second natural language.
I've read in two places now that studying eperanto makes studying a second natural language easier.
It certainly looks as if it could make studying several natural languages easier.
Well, I'm going to give it a go and find out for myself.Learning any language makes learning another easier.
Esperanto has some advantages in this respect, though, as it was synthesized out of many European languages to be similar to any one of them. A language similar to your own (or another you already speak) is easier to learn than one completely different (Spanish or German versus Mandarin).
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#13 2005-12-31 3:54 am
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Aren't all languages artificial?
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#14 2005-12-31 3:57 am
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I have friends that learned some Esperanto. Both thought it sounded interesting, and went on to become linguistics majors.
Both ended up hating Esperanto and that class. They stopped it after one quarter, and are both currently doing quite well in 2 other languages each without continuing study of Esperanto. Indeed, both regret having taken it.
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#15 2005-12-31 4:00 am
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MacAddict4Life wrote:
I have friends that learned some Esperanto. Both thought it sounded interesting, and went on to become linguistics majors.
Both ended up hating Esperanto and that class. They stopped it after one quarter, and are both currently doing quite well in 2 other languages each without continuing study of Esperanto. Indeed, both regret having taken it.
Well, I'm just trying to give Esperanto the benefit of the doubt here. I still think that it's an interesting idea, at the least, and is the most successful artificial language.
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#16 2005-12-31 4:10 am
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fastman wrote:
ironhawk wrote:
StaticAge wrote:
I agree, learn a second natural language.
I've read in two places now that studying eperanto makes studying a second natural language easier.
It certainly looks as if it could make studying several natural languages easier.
Well, I'm going to give it a go and find out for myself.Learning any language makes learning another easier.
Some more than others, one would think.
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#17 2005-12-31 5:37 am
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Re: Universal languages
Soccer is the universal language.
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#18 2005-12-31 6:31 am
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ironhawk wrote:
I was going to study latin as a means to more quickly learn other languages or understand other languages without speaking them fluently, and now it seems after researching a bit, as if studying Esperanto alongside latin would be a good idea, and quite enjoyable. It looks easier than spanish.
How about Italian instead of Latin.
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#19 2005-12-31 8:24 am
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KeilwerthSX90 wrote:
Aren't all languages artificial?
No, and I'm not sure why you'd say that.
If you want to make other languages easier, study Indo-European.
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#20 2005-12-31 11:45 am
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KeilwerthSX90 wrote:
Aren't all languages artificial?
Languages develop arbitrarily. Contrary to popular belief, two cavemen didn't sit down and create language.
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#22 2005-12-31 2:31 pm
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NoExit wrote:
you want to learn math ?
Damn it, I was going to say that! It would figure that the last poster in the thread would be me to the punch. 
Math is the only universal language. And Science. Science is the other only universal language. 
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#23 2005-12-31 4:29 pm
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Re: Universal languages
TheConfuzed1 wrote:
NoExit wrote:
you want to learn math ?
Damn it, I was going to say that! It would figure that the last poster in the thread would be me to the punch.
Math is the only universal language. And Science. Science is the other only universal language.
What about music?
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#24 2005-12-31 4:38 pm
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What about music?
Actually, music acts very much like the languages of the world. Can you decifer the sounds of an early morning raga from an afternoon raga? Do you understand what you're listening to in gamelon music? Do you know how djembe drummers in different African cultures use rhythm to convey messages?
You may think that since music causes emotion, you understand it. But you'd be wrong.
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#25 2005-12-31 4:45 pm
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What about tone of voice?
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