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Better examples.  Flag day, veterans day, presidents day, 4th of july, etc.  All completely invented holidays.

kb5zhh wrote:

Better examples.  Flag day, veterans day, presidents day, 4th of july, etc.  All completely invented holidays.

Since Kwanzaa isn't religious these would seem to be better examples.

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

kb5zhh wrote:

Better examples.  Flag day, veterans day, presidents day, 4th of july, etc.  All completely invented holidays.

Since Kwanzaa isn't religious these would seem to be better examples.

Yet people take lots of these holidays quite seriously.

What's the problem, exactly? To each his own, right?

Other than this Dr fellow sounding a bit racist (his words from his web sites) and seeming to be the opposite of what's needed, I don't care.

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Tallgeese wrote:

Christmas wasn't invented. It was attached to an earlier holiday.

You say "attached," but you don't think of it as meaning anything false or artificial?

And anyway, that "earlier holiday" had to have been invented too at some point, right?

To continue my analogy, language developed over thousands of years and new languages came out of older ones. Christmas was a modification of an earlier holiday, which was based on earlier ones, which - like languages - is ultimately based on prehistoric caveman stuff.

Tallgeese wrote:

Flag day is made up which is why nobody celebrates it except crazy John Birchers.

What are you boy, some kinda commie pinko?

I guess in a country where you have a state like Illinois declaring Kasimir Pulaski Day as a sop to ethnic whites to get Martin Luther King day approved it doesn't really matter all that much.
kwanzza is just easy to make fun of: Based on the wrong language, tenants from European and Asian communism, probly celebrated in more white liberal churches like the Unitarians than black churches.
Its not like its the wrong thing to try, it just seems so badly done.
Like invented African sounding names.
I am willing to guarantee that there is some poor black girl out there somewhere named Listeria.
Good intentions, bad execution.

Last edited by Pariah (2005-12-31 11:56 am)

Farmerkev wrote:

Did she get her facts wrong?

That's skating dreadfully close to "Is it illegal?"!

Let's just cut to the chase about the fact that conservatives detest any and all lip service to all things "multi-cultural" and are simply hand-wringing about Chimpy not taking a "principled stand" against this mongrel nonsense!  There's not much more to it than that.

Tallgeese wrote:

kb5zhh wrote:

If "hey there was this kid born in a barn" or "the oil lasted for seven days" are reasons enough to have celebrations with friends and family this time of year, then celebrating the seven principles of kwanzaa seems ok by me.  Whatever people want to do in their own homes.

Do you actually not know the history of those holidays?

There should be distinctions made between the faith, the theology, the origins of the theology, and the traditions. Christmas as we know it in the west is more tradition than religion. And a lot of what we call Christmas tradition is recent and has little to do with the story of the nativity.  Kwanza seems about as well founded as the Christmas I'm familiar with.

Tallgeese wrote:

Wait... In another thread, Christmas trees and other traditions were based in ancient Roman festivities but now they're recent? I'm confused.

I mentioned trees?  Where?

Tallgeese wrote:

You weren't specific about

Christmas as we know it in the west is more tradition than religion. And a lot of what we call Christmas tradition is recent and has little to do with the story of the nativity.

I see why you're confused then.

Coca-Cola Santa. That's a recent tradition.

Sinterklaas and his Zwarte Piet (black Peter) who'se supposed to be Moorish (and a tad menacing to naughty boys and girls). That's from the 17th century.

Gatchaman wrote:

Ribtorus wrote:

Good intentions, bad execution.

Sounds like Christmas to me.

Sounds like Christianity to me.

Hey, some of the executions were good.