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Czachorski wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

Let's just cut to the chase about the fact that conservatives detest any and all lip service to all things "multi-cultural" and are simply hand-wringing about Chimpy not taking a "principled stand" against this mongrel nonsense!  There's not much more to it than that.

Pot - meet Mr. Kettle.

What? That doesn't even make sense.

Farmerkev wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Czachorski wrote:

Pot - meet Mr. Kettle.

What? That doesn't even make sense.

Yeah, it does.

In the "I know you are but what am I" sense, or the "don't throw stones in a glass house" sense?

One does not need to be conservative to look with suspicion on the product of someone who ended up in one of the sheltered studies university departments.
As a life long "liberal" I have seen easily as much nonsense come out of woman's studies and Black studies departments as from those wack jobs at the Heritage institute(for one example).

Egress wrote:

In short, Coulter's article is a fine example of logical fallacy with a biased agenda. Disregard it.

Well... it's Coulter.  As if anyone would pay serious attention to it.

With respect to Kwanzaa - the _only_ time I ever saw it celebrated was at a community college in the early 90's - when it gave the student council an excuse to hire a hip hop DJ and throw a party in the square.

Having grown up in the Bay Area in a predominantly black community (Montalvin Manor, an unincorporated suburb of San Pablo, now primarily a hispanic community - at least last time I went through) - I never knew a single black family that celebrated kwanza.

Egress wrote:

Our Gregorian Calendar is also "made up". Should we abolish it, especially considering its controversial origins?

Personal Attack is one of the most common logical fallacies. I have a friend who could never accept any points made in editorials by Thomas Sowell or Cal Thomas because they were "conservative".

The fact is, a valid point or a useful concept exists independently of its source. Adam Smith and Charles Darwin have been the subject of personal attacks too, but their ideas persist.

Regardless of its origin, if Kwanzaa can add something positive to one's life, it should be welcomed.

In short, Coulter's article is a fine example of logical fallacy with a biased agenda. Disregard it.

The cat's right.

Don't forget her incredibly snotty tone of voice/speech. I witnessed her in action at Miami University. Despite the utter mediocrity of everything she said due to her combination of shallowness, repetition, and deception, listening to her speak was definitely an energizing experience. It's impossible to listen to the prating of the world's most pompous hack (she even beats W who is a bit too simple to be quite so pompous), without getting something out of it, even if that something is an unusual level of annoyance. I think my annoyance stemmed primarily from the fact that her BS was accepted by so many in attendance and that she was seen as important enough to deserve a platform, a platform that was deceptive like the "Dr." in Dr. Laura.

Her routine is definitely a mostly opportunistic thing designed to give her cash and a soap box (I said it!). Her books sell. She's paid to speak. I feel sorry for her because she lacks the morality necessary to prevent her from skimming a profit off the ignorance of the prejudiced masses. I don't see true profit in her activity. Nothing she does benefits humanity, unless one sees her as an exposé of bad practices. I suppose that's one way of looking at people like Coulter, Robertson, Falwell, Ratsinger, etc.

How able Coulter is to reduce the quality of others' lives is unclear. I was angered by her homophobia and annoyed by her general promotion of tyranny, but perhaps her appearance on campus was beneficial because two students distributed disturbing quotes from her with citations and one of them posted fliers all over campus.

The fliers-handouts prompted tough questions and Coulter's answers changed the mood of the crowd from meek approval (for the most part) to considerable opposition (except, of course, for the college Republican "faithful" who gave her 5 standing ovations). As is typical for Miami, though, the student newspaper's reporting was abominable. Not even a single quote* was given to show just how much of a worthless hack she is.

* like the one in which she conflated homosexuality and Islamic terrorism, the one in which she defended her New Crusades foreign policy, or the one in which she stood by her quoted statement that the nation would be better off if women were no longer able to vote.

Culture is illogical, what's your point?

XYZ wrote:

My point was a rebuttal to your "Christmas is better than Kwanza because it's older" thing.

Kwanza would be less ridiculous if it had at least one genuine African element to it.
While its easy to dismiss the idea because it's being spread by the typical rightwing jackoffs but Kwanza really is just the product of one guys '60s radical wet dream that somehow got resurrected in the 80's.
I dunno, maybe I just dont like it cuz its way to heavy on the socialist and communitarian BS.

Ribtorus wrote:

I don't think the multiple overlapping and sometimes even crossed-purposed fairy tales that make up Christmas is any less ridiculous.

With the possible exception of everyone is allowed to participate in Christmas but the way this guy talks you better have a dark tan before you think you can do much more than watch Kwanzaa.

Farmerkev wrote:

Ribtorus wrote:

I don't think the multiple overlapping and sometimes even crossed-purposed fairy tales that make up Christmas is any less ridiculous.

With the possible exception of everyone is allowed to participate in Christmas but the way this guy talks you better have a dark tan before you think you can do much more than watch Kwanzaa.

Like Jews at a Christmas mass.

oatmeal wrote:

Egress wrote:

In short, Coulter's article is a fine example of logical fallacy with a biased agenda. Disregard it.

Well... it's Coulter.  As if anyone would pay serious attention to it.

Pay attention to who? Oh, you mean that sentient garbage sack full of twigs over there? Nah. I tried to feed it a sammich, but it started goose stepping all over the place and spewing odd, rambling, train of though dissertations on the evil of social awareness. So I gave up.