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Ribtorus wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

Ribtorus wrote:

I don't think the multiple overlapping and sometimes even crossed-purposed fairy tales that make up Christmas is any less ridiculous.

With the possible exception of everyone is allowed to participate in Christmas but the way this guy talks you better have a dark tan before you think you can do much more than watch Kwanzaa.

Like Jews at a Christmas mass.

Do I really have to point out the major flaw in your statement?

Tallgeese wrote:

Which of the above statements are you going to point out the flaw in? The immediate one or all three?

I based my statement on

But in any case, particular people should always be in control of and conduct their own celebrations. Audience attendance is one thing; conducting a ritual is another.

Feel free to point out whatever you find inaccurate.

bedstuy wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

Ribtorus wrote:

Like Jews at a Christmas mass.

Do I really have to point out the major flaw in your statement?

I went to a Kwanzaa celebration once.  I'm not allowed around Jews because my head is shaved.

I said "do much more than watch".
The flaw here with a comparison to religion is one can change religions, changing "race" is kinda tricky.
Shicky could pull it off (those six months of no sun really take a toll apparently).

Farmerkev wrote:

Tallgeese wrote:

Which of the above statements are you going to point out the flaw in? The immediate one or all three?

I based my statement on

But in any case, particular people should always be in control of and conduct their own celebrations. Audience attendance is one thing; conducting a ritual is another.

Feel free to point out whatever you find inaccurate.

Your earlier statement said "participate" not "attend."

Farmerkev wrote:

Tallgeese wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

Tallgeese wrote:

Which of the above statements are you going to point out the flaw in? The immediate one or all three?

I based my statement on

Feel free to point out whatever you find inaccurate.

Your earlier statement said "participate" not "attend."

OK, let me rephrase then.
If you want to do more than sit and watch.

If you're not a Christian, you can't conduct a prayer in any celebration. You're also not allowed to participate in a sacrament though you're a Christian unless you're already baptized. In a Catholic church (in addition to above), you can't have a confession unless you're a Catholic.

Farmerkev wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

Do I really have to point out the major flaw in your statement?

I went to a Kwanzaa celebration once.  I'm not allowed around Jews because my head is shaved.

I said "do much more than watch".

Well, I smoked a lot of pot with the hosts.  What else does one do for Kwanzaa?

Farmerkev wrote:

mahakali wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

OK, let me rephrase then.
If you want to do more than sit and watch.

If you're not a Christian, you can't conduct a prayer in any celebration. You're also not allowed to participate in a sacrament though you're a Christian unless you're already baptized. In a Catholic church (in addition to above), you can't have a confession unless you're a Catholic.

Very true and guess what, you can become one quite easily.
Change from white to black.
We'll wait.

The same restrictions apply to many ethnic cults. Why is this a problem now?

They're both made-up BS holidays that play fast and loose with ancient and less ancient traditions.

There you go again.

Farmerkev wrote:

mahakali wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

Very true and guess what, you can become one quite easily.
Change from white to black.
We'll wait.

The same restrictions apply to many ethnic cults. Why is this a problem now?

It was claimed there was a legitimate comparison between religious holidays like Christmas and Kwanzaa.
There isn't.

I don't see much historical difference between them:

A plethora of customs with either secular, religious, or national aspects surround Christmas, varying from country to country. Most of the familiar traditional practices and symbols of Christmas originated in Germany, including the now omnipresent Christmas tree, the Christmas ham, the Yule Log, holly, mistletoe, and the giving of presents to friends and relatives. These practices and symbols were adapted or appropriated by Christian missionaries from the earlier Germanic pagan midwinter holiday of Yule. This celebration of the winter solstice was widespread and popular in northern Europe long before the arrival of Christianity, and the word for Christmas in the Scandinavian languages is still today the pagan jul (=yule).

Rather than attempting to suppress every pagan tradition, Pope Gregory I allowed Christian missionaries to synthesize them with Christianity, allowing many pagan traditions to become a part of Christmas.[3]

source

Just give Kwanzaa a few more centuries.

mahakali wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

mahakali wrote:

The same restrictions apply to many ethnic cults. Why is this a problem now?

It was claimed there was a legitimate comparison between religious holidays like Christmas and Kwanzaa.
There isn't.

I don't see much historical difference between them:

A plethora of customs with either secular, religious, or national aspects surround Christmas, varying from country to country. Most of the familiar traditional practices and symbols of Christmas originated in Germany, including the now omnipresent Christmas tree, the Christmas ham, the Yule Log, holly, mistletoe, and the giving of presents to friends and relatives. These practices and symbols were adapted or appropriated by Christian missionaries from the earlier Germanic pagan midwinter holiday of Yule. This celebration of the winter solstice was widespread and popular in northern Europe long before the arrival of Christianity, and the word for Christmas in the Scandinavian languages is still today the pagan jul (=yule).

Rather than attempting to suppress every pagan tradition, Pope Gregory I allowed Christian missionaries to synthesize them with Christianity, allowing many pagan traditions to become a part of Christmas.[3]

source

Just give Kwanzaa a few more centuries.

are you being purposely dense?

Tallgeese wrote:

Ribtorus wrote:

Tallgeese wrote:

You have a weird definition of "ancient."

I hadn't defined ancient.

Well you seem to contrast it, a "made up BS holiday" with "ancient traditions."

What holidays aren't "made up BS holiday(s)?"

Pretty much none.

I suppose solar and lunar calender based holidays marking agriculturally significant events aren't really made up, as they have a solid basis.