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#76 2006-01-18 10:52 pm

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Re: Open Document guy Microsofted and Romneyed

resedit wrote:

iBubba wrote:

LaTeX? I'll have to check that out.

It's extremely cool - but it does have a steep learning curve.
LaTeX can be used for far more than just creating PDF's - it was originally designed to proffesionally typeset books, the native output format is DVI which lends itself well to creating postscript (and hence pdf) files.

It also can be used (via tex4ht) to output xml, including odt and mathml - and I'm guessing soon .docx.

Very powerful, but takes a lot of learning - it basically is a programming language where the output is a document (dvi/ps/pdf/xml/html/etc.)

ah. a fellow latex fetishist!

Mac users can use TeXShop as sort of a GUI frontend for the TeX engine. It doesnt make it Wisiwig, but it does provie syntax highlighting, spellchecking, and other Cocoa goodies.


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#77 2006-01-18 11:52 pm

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Re: Open Document guy Microsofted and Romneyed

Bill Gates is a big pussy too, if it makes everyone feel better to hear me say that. lol


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#78 2006-01-19 12:31 am

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Re: Open Document guy Microsofted and Romneyed

Duke Stratosphere wrote:

Bill Gates is a big pussy too, if it makes everyone feel better to hear me say that. lol

Haha! 'Round these parts, I'd pretty much figure that's already assumed. Being a resident of the great Commonwealth at issue, I'm proud of Quinn, and ashamed of the rest (incuding the bastids at the subsidiary of the NY Times).

Romney or one of his minions wil probably fold to whatever this alleged MS Open solution is.


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#79 2006-01-19 9:36 am

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Re: Open Document guy Microsofted and Romneyed

Duke Stratosphere wrote:

Even in such a crazy scenario as that, OpenOffice.org can open Office files, so it wouldn't be a problem.

So, opening a licensed file format, using it, with a different application, not produced by the original manufacturer is allowed ? Its not against the law?


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#80 2006-01-19 9:49 am

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Re: Open Document guy Microsofted and Romneyed

prot wrote:

Duke Stratosphere wrote:

Even in such a crazy scenario as that, OpenOffice.org can open Office files, so it wouldn't be a problem.

So, opening a licensed file format, using it, with a different application, not produced by the original manufacturer is allowed ? Its not against the law?

Apparently not. OpenOffice.org also offers to save a file you make with it as a Microsoft Word file.


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#81 2006-01-19 9:59 am

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Re: Open Document guy Microsofted and Romneyed

Duke Stratosphere wrote:

prot wrote:

Duke Stratosphere wrote:

Even in such a crazy scenario as that, OpenOffice.org can open Office files, so it wouldn't be a problem.

So, opening a licensed file format, using it, with a different application, not produced by the original manufacturer is allowed ? Its not against the law?

Apparently not. OpenOffice.org also offers to save a file you make with it as a Microsoft Word file.

Are Microsoft just being kind? Could'nt they, if they wished, do a 180 and say, from now on, if you want to use .doc you must buy a license that is good for 1 user, on 1 machine, for 1 year?

It will be cheap, only $1 a user. But I have potentially 30,000 users, more if I include folks outside of our agencies.


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#82 2006-01-19 10:26 am

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Re: Open Document guy Microsofted and Romneyed

prot wrote:

Are Microsoft just being kind?

lol


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#83 2006-01-20 2:21 am

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Re: Open Document guy Microsofted and Romneyed

jerwin wrote:

ah. a fellow latex fetishist!

Mac users can use TeXShop as sort of a GUI frontend for the TeX engine. It doesnt make it Wisiwig, but it does provie syntax highlighting, spellchecking, and other Cocoa goodies.

-=-
I use e-macs with autex for my LaTeX authoring:

http://homepage.mac.com/mpeters/misc/auctex.png

It's not wysiwyg either - but it is nice.
I use ispell for spell checking - it knows how to ignore LaTeX syntax and just spell check the syntax.

I got started in LaTeX with LyX - but the more I used it, the more I found myself using the ERT box - and finally decided I was more productive just using the raw text.

-=-
I just started a new package repository for rpm based Linux distributions -

http://mpeters.us/tetexrpm/

I'm hoping it will become a large repository of up to date packages, making it easier for Linux users to install new packages and grab updates to crusty packages in their tetex TEXMFMAIN tree.

egads - this going way off topic.

Anyway -

http://mpeters.us/tetexrpm/doc/tetexrpm.html
vs
http://mpeters.us/tetexrpm/doc/tetexrpm.pdf

In one case - the file was processed with pdflatex to produce a pdf.
In the other case - the file was processed with htlatex (part of tex4ht) to produce decent looking html (and it could be better - I haven't even begun to configure tex4ht)

That of course is a fairly simple demonstration (no math, no images or figures, etc.) - but it also works quite well with complex documents (same source .tex file producing gorgeous PDF and gorgeous MathML document)

tex4ht can also output xml, including I mathml - and I believe it also can output ODT - but if MS doesn't support ODT, going from LaTeX to Word will continue to be a pain in the ass (involving going to xml first, and then using OO.o or AbiWord to go from xml to .doc)

It's just dumb for MS not to embrace ODT import/export - it is a clear case of MS simply not wanting to play nice.

(whew - back on topic)


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#84 2006-01-24 8:34 pm

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Re: Open Document guy Microsofted and Romneyed

Monday, January 23 2006
Peter Quinn's First Interview


there's really no need for all of this

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#85 2006-01-24 10:03 pm

Duke Stratosphere
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Re: Open Document guy Microsofted and Romneyed

XYZ wrote:

Monday, January 23 2006
Peter Quinn's First Interview

Well, that's nice, but it appears to be taking (literally) forever to load. hmm

OK, tried again and got it, so don't worry about your link.

Now I realize that Quinn is a wuss and a geek! lol

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#86 2006-01-27 1:34 pm

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Re: Open Document guy Microsofted and Romneyed

Coulter still has her job.


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