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I hope sony loses again.  I've never liked that company

I think Apple's supporting Blu-Ray. Or maybe HD-DVD. I know it's supporting one of them.

dcalfine wrote:

I see.  I guess it's not that old.  Which are you supporting?  And how can you have a dual-format drive, isn't one like a DVD and the other like a giant iomega Zip drive?

No, they are both the size and shape of a DVD disk. The difference is the lasers.

maxintosh wrote:

I think Apple's supporting Blu-Ray. Or maybe HD-DVD. I know it's supporting one of them.

Apple joined the Blu-ray Disc Association in March.

solid state wood be faster - and a hell of a lot more expensive.

I think blue laser recording is relatively speedy.  If you think about it, 4.7GB burning at 16x is faster than 700MB burning at 52x in terms of byte/second.  The ratio is about 2:1.

also, won't the media also be made by TDK, Maxell and the usuals?

you mean bought?

I think TDK has ones to buy, but only on request.

dcalfine wrote:

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this is what had given me the idea that blu-rays were like a Zip drive.

I saw that too but if you go here they say that it won't have to have the cartridge.

dcalfine wrote:

Yeah, it seems as though the cartridge was only used when blu-ray was still in development.

Right, because once they release it for consumer purchase, they need a media that exposes the magnetic surface, so that small surface scratches will render the disc unusable, and that combined with the MacroVision copy protection and the DMCA's restriction on fair-use copying that bypasses copy protection means that you will have to buy new copies of scratched movie, even though all you really bought is a license for the content, although they won't replace a scratched disc as if it were a license.

The Blu-Ray disks themselves, not figuring in the cartridge that it may or may not include (last I heard it was still including it), is ever so slightly larger than the current DVD diameter, requiring new drives, manufacturing systems, etc, and will make multi-format drives nearly impossible (absolutely impossible if BR keeps the cartridge casing).

And for the record, I support HD-DVD.  Yes, I know its "the Microsoft Format," but dammit, Sony has shown themselves to have absolutely no scruples, and BR (as proposed by Sony and its fiendish supporters) looks like it will severely restrict the consumers' rights with the disks they buy.  Even some of the big names in the movie production industry are starting to agree that BR is probably the worse of two evils.  Unfortunately, I'm 95% certain that the rest of the movie industry will buy in to Sony's asshattery and lies (because it will solve all piracy!!1!!) and we'll find ourselves in such a media-restrictive era that we'll practically beg for a non-Sony alternative very quickly.

This is actually one of those subjects I get pretty upset over, because I just can't fathom why people are supporting the Sony Suck-Up Club on this one, but the movie industry is so strongly focused on piracy these days (just everyone's scapegoat du jour) that Sony's over-bearing, over-restrictive new idiotic media will likely take off and soar (for once in Sony's history).

Dammit, I think I might get sick now.

IcarusFountain wrote:

The Blu-Ray disks themselves, not figuring in the cartridge that it may or may not include (last I heard it was still including it), is ever so slightly larger than the current DVD diameter, requiring new drives, manufacturing systems, etc, and will make multi-format drives nearly impossible (absolutely impossible if BR keeps the cartridge casing).

And for the record, I support HD-DVD.  Yes, I know its "the Microsoft Format," but dammit, Sony has shown themselves to have absolutely no scruples, and BR (as proposed by Sony and its fiendish supporters) looks like it will severely restrict the consumers' rights with the disks they buy.  Even some of the big names in the movie production industry are starting to agree that BR is probably the worse of two evils.  Unfortunately, I'm 95% certain that the rest of the movie industry will buy in to Sony's asshattery and lies (because it will solve all piracy!!1!!) and we'll find ourselves in such a media-restrictive era that we'll practically beg for a non-Sony alternative very quickly.

This is actually one of those subjects I get pretty upset over, because I just can't fathom why people are supporting the Sony Suck-Up Club on this one, but the movie industry is so strongly focused on piracy these days (just everyone's scapegoat du jour) that Sony's over-bearing, over-restrictive new idiotic media will likely take off and soar (for once in Sony's history).

Dammit, I think I might get sick now.

I'm supporting 'Sony Suck-Up Club' because of their capacity, nothing else.  HD-DVD is inferior in that respect.

I have an idea, rather than streaming it from your bedroom to your living room, why don't you get off your ass and get the disc yourself.

Seriously though, you couldn't (legally) make archival copies of DVDs on your computer, could you?  You can live without that.  Picture this: a blue-ray disc that can hold twice as much info as your hard drive.  That should be the winning factor.