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#1 2006-01-04 5:23 pm
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O'Reilly, misinformation, and 'Brokeback Mountain'
I caught just a couple of minutes of O'Reilly's radio show today, providing him with just enough time to make some smurf up.
A panicked caller was concerned about the 'message' Americans were being exposed to by Ang Lee's new film, "Brokeback Mountain."
O'Reilly assured her that it wasn't important because "Americans do not want to see" Brokeback Mountain and basically that it had been rejected by the public as a whole.
I suppose that would be comforting if it were true. As far as I can tell, the film has received a favorable reception (in terms of sales, at least) in the markets it has been released in so far (including Atlanta and Dallas).
This weekend, the film ranked 13th, bringing in 4.8 million in 269 theaters–making its per-theater average double that of ranked 1st & 2nd 'Narnia' and 'King Kong.' On the weekend of the 16th-18th, it ranked 8th–despite being the only film in the top 10 appearing in less than 1,000 theaters (only 69, to be exact). Only two others films in the top 10 that week appeared on less than 2,000 screens.
The movie continues to open in expanded theaters, including many large chains. It opens this friday here in Bloomington, in a large "mainstream" theater.
Is anyone else surprised by the reception that this film has received? I certainly am. It definitely helps that movie is well-written, acted, and directed.
Is there hope? Does the films popularity actually say anything about the public, at all?
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#2 2006-01-04 5:29 pm
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Re: O'Reilly, misinformation, and 'Brokeback Mountain'
I'm fairly certain that a big reason people are going to see this movie is because of the controversy surrounding it. If it wasn't for idiots crying about it being made, no one would have known about it, and it probably wouldn't have had as many patrons as it did.
But, I DO think it's accurate to say that "Americans don't want to see this movie" because on every other message board i've been to, that's more general than MoFT, there's been a LOT of anti-gay stuff said, and people even "disowning" jake Gylen-something for acting in it. Americans still don't like gays very much, but they never liked romantic (or anything that is not action for the most part) movies in general.
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#3 2006-01-04 5:49 pm
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Re: O'Reilly, misinformation, and 'Brokeback Mountain'
mo' ron wrote:
I'm fairly certain that a big reason people are going to see this movie is because of the controversy surrounding it. If it wasn't for idiots crying about it being made, no one would have known about it, and it probably wouldn't have had as many patrons as it did.
I can't say that I've heard much complaining . . . I'm assuming that its detractors are conscious of the fact that even negative publicity is publicity.
But, I DO think it's accurate to say that "Americans don't want to see this movie" because on every other message board i've been to, that's more general than MoFT, there's been a LOT of anti-gay stuff said, and people even "disowning" jake Gylen-something for acting in it. Americans still don't like gays very much, but they never liked romantic (or anything that is not action for the most part) movies in general.
To be sure, obviously large numbers of people will NOT see the film. What are the ages of the folks on these other boards you post on, though?!?
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#4 2006-01-04 5:51 pm
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Re: O'Reilly, misinformation, and 'Brokeback Mountain'
bratboy wrote:
But, I DO think it's accurate to say that "Americans don't want to see this movie" because on every other message board i've been to, that's more general than MoFT, there's been a LOT of anti-gay stuff said, and people even "disowning" jake Gylen-something for acting in it. Americans still don't like gays very much, but they never liked romantic (or anything that is not action for the most part) movies in general.
To be sure, obviously large numbers of people will NOT see the film. What are the ages of the folks on these other boards you post on, though?!?
College aged.
Plus, it's mostly people from NC, and we're kind of a socially backwards state.
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#5 2006-01-04 5:56 pm
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Re: O'Reilly, misinformation, and 'Brokeback Mountain'
mo' ron wrote:
I'm fairly certain that a big reason people are going to see this movie is because of the controversy surrounding it. If it wasn't for idiots crying about it being made, no one would have known about it, and it probably wouldn't have had as many patrons as it did.
But, I DO think it's accurate to say that "Americans don't want to see this movie" because on every other message board i've been to, that's more general than MoFT, there's been a LOT of anti-gay stuff said, and people even "disowning" jake Gylen-something for acting in it. Americans still don't like gays very much, but they never liked romantic (or anything that is not action for the most part) movies in general.
What "other" boards are these? Do they represent an accurate cross-section of the US?
I'm not surprise the movie is doing OK, at least in certain areas. For all the screaming about Red States and "family values" BS folks forget half of the country lives in blue states. Urban areas are a bit more adjusted to gay folks by now... wasn't this way 25 years ago I assure you!
Either that or there are more gay people than you thought. Whatever the case I'm sure O'Reilly is writing it off as some major feat of the Hollywood left.
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#6 2006-01-04 6:00 pm
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Re: O'Reilly, misinformation, and 'Brokeback Mountain'
Eh, there are always homophobes complaining about stuff like this. However if the movie was bad, or simply "ok," we probably would be hearing about it very much. I've been a bit too busy for the movies lately, but everyone I know that has seen it has said it was pretty good
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This kind of reminds me of the crap that was floating around when Chasing Amy came out. The homophobes were out in force about that movie too. (IMHO) It was good flick, but it wasn't Oscar material, and it didn't get as much praise. Eventually the homophobes shut up when then movie dropped out of the limelight.
But, then again, the thought of gay male cowboys tend to freak out homophobes more then hot lipstick lesbians.
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#7 2006-01-04 6:05 pm
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Re: O'Reilly, misinformation, and 'Brokeback Mountain'
Chasing Amy just wasn't a good movie. It was a Kevin Smith movie and he's a hack.
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#8 2006-01-04 6:06 pm
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Oh well, they'll all gag when it wins Best Picture.
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#9 2006-01-04 6:11 pm
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So, what was the "message" of the movie? I haven't seen it so I don't know if there's a "message" other than "homosexuals exist outside of San Francisco parades."
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#10 2006-01-04 6:16 pm
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Re: O'Reilly, misinformation, and 'Brokeback Mountain'
Tallgeese wrote:
So, what was the "message" of the movie? I haven't seen it so I don't know if there's a "message" other than "homosexuals exist outside of San Francisco parades."
I vaguely saw O'Reilly upset at the movie, but I still don't know why.
Its just about homosexual cowboys or something ? Nothing more sinister ?
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#11 2006-01-04 6:34 pm
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Re: O'Reilly, misinformation, and 'Brokeback Mountain'
So O'Reilly is predictably upset about something which goes against his set of "family values" and makes up "facts"--how is this news?
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#12 2006-01-04 6:40 pm
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Re: O'Reilly, misinformation, and 'Brokeback Mountain'
Did O'Reilly actually watch the movie before he reviewed it? Because if he did, then I say he's a closet case. 
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#13 2006-01-04 6:44 pm
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O'reilly is a ratings whore...he will say whatever he needs to, making sure ratings go up and stay up. I seriously doubt he believes half the smurf he says. But if he does believe his nonsense then he is seriously stupid.
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#14 2006-01-04 6:48 pm
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Re: O'Reilly, misinformation, and 'Brokeback Mountain'
bratboy wrote:
It opens this friday here in Bloomington, in a large "mainstream" theater.
Date movie?
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#15 2006-01-04 6:49 pm
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#16 2006-01-04 6:56 pm
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Re: O'Reilly, misinformation, and 'Brokeback Mountain'
bedstuy wrote:
That's pretty funny, but what the smurf? Is it illegal in Oklahoma to ask a girl to join you in your motel room? And why the hell was it necessary to impound his car, aside from the obvious answer that it generates revenue when he has to pay to get it back?
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#17 2006-01-04 6:58 pm
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"I was set up. I was in the area pastoring to police."
uh
yeah
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#18 2006-01-04 7:18 pm
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Re: O'Reilly, misinformation, and 'Brokeback Mountain'
The irony is that "family values" conservatives like O'Reilly who make noise about the movie only contribute to its box office results.
Me, I don't care. It's an overhyped love story that only gets attention because the protagonists are both men. So? If it was a man and a woman I don't think we'd be discussing it. In that regard, it's not nearly Oscar-worthy.
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#19 2006-01-04 7:37 pm
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Only heterosexual subjects are Oscar-worthy. *noted*
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#20 2006-01-04 8:14 pm
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Re: O'Reilly, misinformation, and 'Brokeback Mountain'
What is O'Reilly talking about it? It was a smash hit, as far as I can see.
At the local movie theatre there are 7 screens. 3 of them are playing Brokeback Mountain, or at least were a week ago.
And what controversy? Maybe I just don't watch enough right-wing television. There was no gay sex in the movie.
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#21 2006-01-04 8:37 pm
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Re: O'Reilly, misinformation, and 'Brokeback Mountain'
OK, I'll go on a faux right-wing synaptic misfite (not to be confused with a left-wing synaptic misfure, ok?)
after-life wrote:
And what controversy? Maybe I just don't watch enough right-wing television. There was no gay sex in the movie.
But it's GAY PEOPLE!!! GAY PEOPLE!!!!
ON A MOVIE SCREEN!!! GAY PEOPLE ARE AN ABOMINATION TO GOD AND ARE CONDEMNED TO HELL (never mind we're condemned to hell for eating pork)!!!!
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#22 2006-01-04 9:24 pm
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Re: O'Reilly, misinformation, and 'Brokeback Mountain'
I just can't get over what a big deal people are making about going to see this movie. Is it REALLY the first gay-themed movie that many folks might go see? Maybe at a movie theater but haven't they watched one at home on cable... just out of curiousity? I find it hilarious! What's the big deal? Two men with a miniscule sex scene? Gee... I've spent my whole life watching men have sex with women in movies and I don't put my hands over my eyes and scream!
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#23 2006-01-04 9:49 pm
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Re: O'Reilly, misinformation, and 'Brokeback Mountain'
bedstuy wrote:
Is it REALLY the first gay-themed movie that many folks might go see?
Didn't Philadelphia win an Oscar or something?
I can't remember any really specific movie but I am sure I have seen plenty ... hey, how about that TV personality in The 5th Element? Be kind of hard to be much gayer than him, wouldn't it?
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#24 2006-01-04 9:50 pm
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Re: O'Reilly, misinformation, and 'Brokeback Mountain'
bedstuy wrote:
I just can't get over what a big deal people are making about going to see this movie. Is it REALLY the first gay-themed movie that many folks might go see? Maybe at a movie theater but haven't they watched one at home on cable... just out of curiousity? I find it hilarious! What's the big deal? Two men with a miniscule sex scene? Gee... I've spent my whole life watching men have sex with women in movies and I don't put my hands over my eyes and scream!
Explanation: people are stupid.
Tons of gay related movies come out all the time, some with actual graphic sex. I've never seen them spark any protests or controversy, because people who disagree generally just don't see them.
I guess the difference here is the star factor. It's big enough to get mainstream TV publicity.
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#25 2006-01-04 9:53 pm
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Duke Stratosphere wrote:
bedstuy wrote:
Is it REALLY the first gay-themed movie that many folks might go see?
Didn't Philadelphia win an Oscar or something?
I can't remember any really specific movie but I am sure I have seen plenty ... hey, how about that TV personality in The 5th Element? Be kind of hard to be much gayer than him, wouldn't it?
The guy played by Chris Tucker who had sex with several women in the movie? No, I doubt he was gay.
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