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kb5zhh wrote:

Duke Stratosphere wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

Is it REALLY the first gay-themed movie that many folks might go see?

Didn't Philadelphia win an Oscar or something?

I can't remember any really specific movie but I am sure I have seen plenty ... hey, how about that TV personality in The 5th Element? Be kind of hard to be much gayer than him, wouldn't it?

The guy played by Chris Tucker who had sex with several women in the movie?  No, I doubt he was gay.

He certainly looked like it. I haven't seen the movie for a long time, so I don't remember the sex with several women part, I guess I just assumed he was bisexual or a transvestite or some futuristic sexual orientation we haven't thought of yet since that was quite a fad in science fiction novels at the time.

Anyway, haven't there been plenty of gay characters in movies before? What's the big deal?

That's not the point!  He LOOKED gay!

JakeTheTall wrote:

bedstuy wrote:

I just can't get over what a big deal people are making about going to see this movie.  Is it REALLY the first gay-themed movie that many folks might go see?

I could only hazard a guess that because its two "cowboys," its more "frightening" than, say, two gay New Yorkers in love.  (I haven't seen the movie).

I think this is where the controversy is.  There was a line in the movie where Heath Ledger said something to the effect of, "I ain't gay!" and Jake Gyllenhaal's response was, "Me neither."  The movie starts off with two straight men who, after spending some time with each other, grow more affectionate toward each other.  It shows two men coming out of the closet in an environment a homophobe would expect to be "safe" from homosexuality.

As far as I've seen, the movie has been a pretty big hit (way more than I  expected).  I didn't realize it was such a limited release right now.  Here in St. Louis, it's playing in four theatres.  Two of those are megaplexes out here in the County (suburbs).  It's also playing.  It's also playing on two of our Landmark theatres.  One of them, the Tivoli, is devoting all three of its screens to it.  I've never seen them give a movie that much play.

jaxbrokenheart wrote:

I think this is where the controversy is.  There was a line in the movie where Heath Ledger said something to the effect of, "I ain't gay!" and Jake Gyllenhaal's response was, "Me neither."  The movie starts off with two straight men who, after spending some time with each other, grow more affectionate toward each other.  It shows two men coming out of the closet in an environment a homophobe would expect to be "safe" from homosexuality.

As far as I've seen, the movie has been a pretty big hit (way more than I  expected).  I didn't realize it was such a limited release right now.  Here in St. Louis, it's playing in four theatres.  Two of those are megaplexes out here in the County (suburbs).  It's also playing.  It's also playing on two of our Landmark theatres.  One of them, the Tivoli, is devoting all three of its screens to it.  I've never seen them give a movie that much play.

I saw it in St. Louis, at the Tivoli.

As far as I could tell from one viewing, it was NOT about two "non-gay" characters who "become" gay.  They both marry, but that wouldn't be unusual for homosexuals in the 60's.

Excuse me. I've just seen a bunch of coverage on various TV channels, including an interview with one of the actors. As I said, the only places in Ohio that have it are Columbus and Cleveland. I am not interested in driving so far.

What is the film really about? I heard it's about two cowboys who marry women and fall in love with each other. Do they die? Do they have AIDS? Do they make camp jokes? Do they dress in drag and say things like "I'm just a big girl"? Do they stutter?

KingFred wrote:

The answer to one of those questions is "yes".

Well, way to blow the ending, dude! THEY DIE, YOU GUYS!!!! Do the other homophobic cowboys lynch them or what?

XYZ wrote:

Excuse me. I've just seen a bunch of coverage on various TV channels, including an interview with one of the actors. As I said, the only places in Ohio that have it are Columbus and Cleveland. I am not interested in driving so far.

What is the film really about? I heard it's about two cowboys who marry women and fall in love with each other. Do they die? Do they have AIDS? Do they make camp jokes? Do they dress in drag and say things like "I'm just a big girl"? Do they stutter?

You should see it, it's a good film.

I'm partial to Ang Lee, anyway . . . but this movie is certainly worth seeing, in my opinion.

Tallgeese wrote:

Chasing Amy just wasn't a good movie. It was a Kevin Smith movie and he's a hack.

Hence my point.
That being, people are primarily watching BBM because it is good, not because it's a controversy to be witnessed

A chunk of people didn't think Chasing Amy was a good movie, the movie faded out of the limelight quickly, and so did the homophobe protests. BBM has received generally good reviews, it's still getting picked up by more theaters, and the homophobe protests will probably keep kicking until after that movie goes to DVD.

That being said, I'm generally a fan of Kevin Smith flicks, I enjoy the fact that he is a hack, and I did like Chasing Amy

See, I actually don't really go for Ang Lee. A question for those who have seen the movie - is it about 2 people, who incidentally are gay, falling in love or about 2 gay people falling in love? (Side note, is that a fair question? Obviously sexual orientation plays a big role in things, but there are plenty of forbidden love stories)

Duke Stratosphere wrote:

Did O'Reilly actually watch the movie before he reviewed it? Because if he did, then I say he's a closet case.

Bill O'Reilly in the ticket line wrote:

I'm just here so I'll know what I'm talking about on my TV show for once.

well played.

They die? Ok. Then that's more formulaic. The documentary and book the Celluloid Closet talks about how gay characters in cinema are doomed to die in order to make them palatable for audiences.

As for me "talking out of my ass", is everything else I posted wrong or just that one detail? Missing one detail doesn't invalidate the points I was making. Since the fact that they die makes them more acceptable in mainstream audiences, the other issues I raised may be the problem, like the fact that they don't act camp, aren't little helper elves, etc. Was I wrong about all those points, or are you and mo'ron just being jerks?

Metacell wrote:

I will NOT be seeing this move! Cowboys give me the creeps. Why couldn't it have been about two gay ninjas?

I wouldn't really call them "cowboys" . . . "ranchers," maybe.