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TheConfuzed1 · 2006-01-09 7:54 pm

There was outrage Wednesday when a Vermont judge handed out a 60-day jail sentence to a man who raped a little girl many,many times over a four-year span starting when she was seven.

The judge said he no longer believes in punishment and is more concerned about rehabilitation.

Prosecutors argued that confessed child-rapist Mark Hulett, 34, of Williston deserved at least eight years behind bars for repeatedly raping a littler girl countless times starting when she was seven.

But Judge Edward Cashman disagreed explaining that he no longer believes that punishment works.

"The one message I want to get through is that anger doesn't solve anything. It just corrodes your soul," said Judge Edward Cashman speaking to a packed Burlington courtroom. Most of the on-lookers were related to a young girl who was repeatedly raped by Mark Hulett who was in court to be sentenced.

The sex abuse started when the girl was seven and ended when she was ten. Prosecutors were seeking a sentence of eight to twenty years in prison, in part, as punishment.

"Punishment is a valid purpose," Chittenden Deputy Prosecutor Nicole Andreson argued to Judge Edward Cashman.

"The state recognizes that the court may not agree or subscribe to that method of sentencing but the state does. The state thinks that it is a very important factor for the court to consider," Andreson added.

But Judge Cashman explained that he is more concerned that Hulett receive sex offender treatment as rehabilitation. But under Department of Corrections classification, Hulett is considered a low-risk for re-offense so he does not qualify for in-prison treatment.So the judge sentenced him to just 60 days in prison and then Hulett must complete sex treatment when he gets out or face a possible life sentence.

Judge Cashman also also revealed that he once handed down stiff sentences when he first got on the bench 25 years ago, but he no longer believes in punishment.

"I discovered it accomplishes nothing of value;it doesn't make anything better;it costs us a lot of money; we create a lot of expectation, and we feed on anger,"Cashman explained to the people in the court.

The sentence outraged the victim's family who asked not to be identified.

"I don't like it," the victim's mother,in tears, told Channel 3. "He should pay for what he did to my baby and stop it here. She's not even home with me and he can be home for all this time, and do what he did in my house," she added.

Hulett -- who had been out on bail-- was taken away to start his sentence immediately.

Tallgeese · 2006-01-09 7:56 pm

The judge is right about punishment.

MuckSavage · 2006-01-09 7:58 pm

Incarcerate, don't rehabilitate.

TheConfuzed1 · 2006-01-09 8:05 pm

If I were a vigilante, the guy would be dead, and there would be some kind of retaliation against the judge as well. Prosecution may not work, but castration and death are options that I am okay with.

Tallgeese · 2006-01-09 8:06 pm

Good thing you're more of a talker and less of an actor.

TheConfuzed1 · 2006-01-09 8:28 pm

I'm not saying that the judge should be hurt or anything. But he should be impeached.

Any asswipe that hurts a child though deserves the maximum penalty, not 60 days. He should be bound, gagged, and tied to a chair in a locked room with the family of the little girl.

Pariah · 2006-01-09 8:31 pm

If we were talking a drug case here I'd be all in favor of this sort of thinking.

Not this case tho

macnuke · 2006-01-09 8:50 pm

in my neighborhood
dig deep and don't talk.

MysticCow · 2006-01-09 9:24 pm

TheConfuzed1 wrote:
I'm not saying that the judge should be hurt or anything. But he should be impeached.

Any asswipe that hurts a child though deserves the maximum penalty, not 60 days. He should be bound, gagged, and tied to a chair in a locked room with the family of the little girl.

Sixty days is not a punishment for RAPE. This judge needs to be impeached and from what I've heard from some of the elected officials in Vermont, it will happen.

Mr. McPhee · 2006-01-09 10:20 pm

macnuke wrote:
in my neighborhood
dig deep and don't talk.

Dont ask and they dont tell

wink

macnuke · 2006-01-09 10:35 pm

Mr. McPhee wrote:
macnuke wrote:
in my neighborhood
dig deep and don't talk.
Dont ask and they dont tell

I see we agree

I refuse to confirm or deny anything concerning the malicious gossip and vicious lies concerning the incident in question.

soulcrusher · 2006-01-09 10:45 pm

I don't understand what good is vengeance.

Such a primitive, barbarian feeling. You should not wish bad things for the offender. You should have compassion and hope that he can rehabilitate.

Rehabilitation in prison was probably the right option. Preventing him from being close to children AND rehab seems even better.

I don't know how I feel about him being on the loose.

Mr. McPhee · 2006-01-09 10:46 pm

macnuke wrote:
I see we agree

I refuse to confirm or deny anything concerning the malicious gossip and vicious lies concerning the incident in question.

Ahhhh I so do miss the south, at least where I was in LA. they policed and took care of their own and mentioned not a word of it. Man I can just imagine some of those small southern towns really have some deep secrets that the bayou took care of.

justine · 2006-01-09 11:05 pm

I always believed a person could be rehabilitated. A very good friend of mines father molested her for years when she was a child. Because she was his, and this was like 25-30 years ago, he only spent 6 months in the county jail. I met him long after this, by the way, and wasn't told about his past until i was a very close part of their family.

For 25 years, he never went near a child. Everyone was sure he was no longer a molester. I would've trusted my kids with him.

He recently was released from state prison for molesting his grand daughter. He was given 8 years. 90% of that sentence was for weapons charges for the guns he had in the house when he was arrested.

Keep in mind that child molestation is far less serious than child rape, so the sentences should be lighter, but this was ridiculous, and you can never convince me that any person that is turned on by children can be rehabilitated.

macnuke · 2006-01-09 11:22 pm

Mr. McPhee wrote:
macnuke wrote:
I see we agree

I refuse to confirm or deny anything concerning the malicious gossip and vicious lies concerning the incident in question.
Ahhhh I so do miss the south, at least where I was in LA. they policed and took care of their own and mentioned not a word of it. Man I can just imagine some of those small southern towns really have some deep secrets that the bayou took care of.

we still do.
fortunately, there is no documentation of these "alleged" thangs that happen.
people from places way up north around Shreveport and beyond have no clue.
you may be a friend, you may live here your whole life, but it really isn't until you are at least 3rd gen living here, you will never know.
we do take care of our own.
old saying...
whose ya fam'ly?
is you Catlik?
can you make da roux?

it's the first question that you better answer correctly.
I'm proud to say I am 9th gen in south La.

and in reference to the original post..
two time what I sed befo.

TheConfuzed1 · 2006-01-10 2:04 am

soulcrusher wrote:
I don't know how I feel about him being on the loose.

I know exactly how I feel about that. If it were someone here in my home town, and I ran into him, he would be in some pain.

As far as prison goes, put him in general population, and he probably wouldn't last 60 days anyway.

TheConfuzed1 · 2006-01-10 2:07 am

justine wrote:
I always believed a person could be rehabilitated. A very good friend of mines father molested her for years when she was a child. Because she was his, and this was like 25-30 years ago, he only spent 6 months in the county jail. I met him long after this, by the way, and wasn't told about his past until i was a very close part of their family.

For 25 years, he never went near a child. Everyone was sure he was no longer a molester. I would've trusted my kids with him.

He recently was released from state prison for molesting his grand daughter. He was given 8 years. 90% of that sentence was for weapons charges for the guns he had in the house when he was arrested.

Keep in mind that child molestation is far less serious than child rape, so the sentences should be lighter, but this was ridiculous, and you can never convince me that any person that is turned on by children can be rehabilitated.

Even if they can be, it's not a chance worth taking. If this was his second offense, he should have seen a minimum of life in prison. His rights be damned. Civil liberty? He waived it when he touched the first child.

Pariah · 2006-01-10 7:32 am

macnuke wrote:
Mr. McPhee wrote:
macnuke wrote:
I see we agree

I refuse to confirm or deny anything concerning the malicious gossip and vicious lies concerning the incident in question.
Ahhhh I so do miss the south, at least where I was in LA. they policed and took care of their own and mentioned not a word of it. Man I can just imagine some of those small southern towns really have some deep secrets that the bayou took care of.
we still do.
fortunately, there is no documentation of these "alleged" thangs that happen.
people from places way up north around Shreveport and beyond have no clue.
you may be a friend, you may live here your whole life, but it really isn't until you are at least 3rd gen living here, you will never know.
we do take care of our own.
old saying...
whose ya fam'ly?
is you Catlik?
can you make da roux?

it's the first question that you better answer correctly.
I'm proud to say I am 9th gen in south La.

and in reference to the original post..
two time what I sed befo.

Yep,
Thats what kept the darkies nice and obedient till those damn commie hippies came along and made trouble.
Before that the south was a freaking paridise on earth.

Laura · 2006-01-10 7:38 am

I can't get over the 'sentence', if it can even be called that. My daughter is 16 now, but a few years ago my neighbor's son moved back home for awhile...he was 22 at that time, and he kept hanging around the house, told him countless times NOT to come over, that he was too old etc, even spoke with his mother about it. Then late 1 night heard something outside, he was trying to crawl through my daughter's window. He kept trying to take advantage of her over the summer, we had to watch like a hawk, we were so paranoid that something would happen. She was only 14, very easily led and also had/has serious self-esteem issues. Ripe for the picking! Thank god he was an adult, because when my husband caught him trying to sneak in he grabbed him and kicked his ass, THEN called the police. He had been in trouble many times before and wound up being on probation, so he was arrested and put away for that violation in addition to violating his probation. He kept whining to the police to arrest my husband for assault...and their attitude was what? I don't see any marks, sure you didn't imagine it?

Men who take advantage of young girls who are technically 'not' saying no get much more time than this...that is why many states have an additional offense tacked on when the victim is under the age of 12.

Last night Attorney Wendy Murphy & Vermont state Senator Wendy Wilton were on TV talking about this, wanting him to be impeached and their efforts in passing Jessica's Law, so that a minimum sentence of 25yrs would be applied in these cases.

NOT to blame the family...but I can't help but be curious about where the adults in her life were throughout this for all these years. I find it impossible that she didn't at some point bleed and be in some pretty serious pain. Also, assuming that her parents took her, how could her pediatrician not notice that something was amiss? I can't believe that she was such a good actress at such a young age to hide this endless abuse. It had to have changed her personality. I just can't understand how this was able to go on for SO long!

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christian3807 · 2006-01-10 8:58 am

Laura wrote:
I can't get over the 'sentence', if it can even be called that. My daughter is 16 now, but a few years ago my neighbor's son moved back home for awhile...he was 22 at that time, and he kept hanging around the house, told him countless times NOT to come over, that he was too old etc, even spoke with his mother about it. Then late 1 night heard something outside, he was trying to crawl through my daughter's window. He kept trying to take advantage of her over the summer, we had to watch like a hawk, we were so paranoid that something would happen. She was only 14, very easily led and also had/has serious self-esteem issues. Ripe for the picking! Thank god he was an adult, because when my husband caught him trying to sneak in he grabbed him and kicked his ass, THEN called the police. He had been in trouble many times before and wound up being on probation, so he was arrested and put away for that violation in addition to violating his probation. He kept whining to the police to arrest my husband for assault...and their attitude was what? I don't see any marks, sure you didn't imagine it?

Men who take advantage of young girls who are technically 'not' saying no get much more time than this...that is why many states have an additional offense tacked on when the victim is under the age of 12.

Last night Attorney Wendy Murphy & Vermont state Senator Wendy Wilton were on TV talking about this, wanting him to be impeached and their efforts in passing Jessica's Law, so that a minimum sentence of 25yrs would be applied in these cases.

NOT to blame the family...but I can't help but be curious about where the adults in her life were throughout this for all these years. I find it impossible that she didn't at some point bleed and be in some pretty serious pain. Also, assuming that her parents took her, how could her pediatrician not notice that something was amiss? I can't believe that she was such a good actress at such a young age to hide this endless abuse. It had to have changed her personality. I just can't understand how this was able to go on for SO long!

I wished I was there.... lol

Pariah · 2006-01-10 9:16 am

Laura wrote:
NOT to blame the family...but I can't help but be curious about where the adults in her life were throughout this for all these years. I find it impossible that she didn't at some point bleed and be in some pretty serious pain. Also, assuming that her parents took her, how could her pediatrician not notice that something was amiss? I can't believe that she was such a good actress at such a young age to hide this endless abuse. It had to have changed her personality. I just can't understand how this was able to go on for SO long!

I find it impossible to believe this sort of thing could go on unless the parents were very neglegent.

LLEVIATHANN · 2006-01-10 9:31 am

macnuke wrote:
Mr. McPhee wrote:
macnuke wrote:
in my neighborhood
dig deep and don't talk.
Dont ask and they dont tell

I see we agree

I refuse to confirm or deny anything concerning the malicious gossip and vicious lies concerning the incident in question.

Friends will help you move. Good friends will help you move a body.

Rehabilitation = Castration. Done. F that even...cut it all off and make'em pee in a sack for the rest of his life.

If the judge has lost the stomache for the job maybe it's time to move on. Punishment doesn't work...BS...I've spent the weekend in jail and I'll NEVER drink and drive again. Stick his ass with Bubba and punishment could take on a whole new meaning..."I hear ya like rape...c'mon sweetheart leeme show ya the way."

nannyandnutro · 2006-01-10 9:31 am

The punishment for this animal needs to reflect the pain this little girl will suffer for the rest of her life. She will never have normal relationships or see herself in a positive light.

Rehabilitate him and just hope he doesn't do it again? My God.

iBubba · 2006-01-10 10:03 am

LLEVIATHANN wrote:
Stick his ass with Bubba and punishment could take on a whole new meaning..."I hear ya like rape...c'mon sweetheart leeme show ya the way."

1. Don't take my name in vain again. Ever.
2. See #1. Otherwise, I will show you the meaning of the word "suffering."

wink

iBubba · 2006-01-10 10:07 am

nannyandnutro wrote:
The punishment for this animal needs to reflect the pain this little girl will suffer for the rest of her life. She will never have normal relationships or see herself in a positive light.

Baloney. Many abuse survivors, though the miracle and blessing of therapy, go on to lead magnificently full and rewarding lives.

nannyandnutro wrote:
Rehabilitate him and just hope he doesn't do it again? My God.

I agree this guy deserves more than 60 days in the slammer, but y'all seemed to miss the point where if he fails to complete the program (which one can assume includes weekly sessions, a PO, etc. for the rest of his life) he faces life in jail. He doesn't have to molest again... it's not waiting around for another victim. All he has to do is misstep in his "treatment."

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