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#126 2006-01-19 1:20 am

mo' ron
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Re: Intel iMac Benchmarks - Slow With Encoding

24FPS is too low for me. It's actually one thing that kind of bugs me when I watch a movie at the theatres. I don't notice it as much at home on a smaller TV.


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#127 2006-01-19 1:35 am

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Re: Intel iMac Benchmarks - Slow With Encoding

Fractographer doesn't use AltiVec or SSE3. The main reason for this is the fact that vector processors often only support single precision floating point numbers for a lot of the functions. I use double precision numbers because they are much more precise. (since fractals are basically a graph of how a miniscule difference in the parameters can change the result by a huge amount, more precision is always good. tongue)

Another reason why it's so slow on that particular function is because of all the exponents. I optimized certain exponents specifically (such as e^exponent, complex^2, complex^real), but that particular fractal contains 4 exponents, 3 of which make use of a tangent inverse, a sine, cosine, power, and square root. (complex^complex is even more, well, complex!) You'll notice that none of the other fractals that I have for download come anywhere near the time to render.


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#128 2006-01-19 2:04 am

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Re: Intel iMac Benchmarks - Slow With Encoding

mo' ron wrote:

24FPS is too low for me. It's actually one thing that kind of bugs me when I watch a movie at the theatres. I don't notice it as much at home on a smaller TV.

I actually prefer 24FPS over higher framerates.  It could be that I'm just used to it, but to me it gives the film a bit of a "fantasy" quality.


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#129 2006-01-19 2:09 am

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Re: Intel iMac Benchmarks - Slow With Encoding

Mr. T wrote:

mo' ron wrote:

24FPS is too low for me. It's actually one thing that kind of bugs me when I watch a movie at the theatres. I don't notice it as much at home on a smaller TV.

I actually prefer 24FPS over higher framerates.  It could be that I'm just used to it, but to me it gives the film a bit of a "fantasy" quality.

Yeah, I agree it's a bit odd to watch a movie that is higher than that, it's also one of the things that distinguish some TV shows (I noticed that Alias and Lost are in a lower than 30FPS for at least some of the scenes) from movies. But, I think that's just because people have been "conditioned" to think that way.


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#130 2006-01-19 7:54 am

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Re: Intel iMac Benchmarks - Slow With Encoding

Finally!  Someone posted the article I have been waiting for:

http://news.com.com/Details+on+Intels+b … ;subj=news

Cocoa apps cannot take advantage of Intel's compiler.  Obviously Intel's own compiler is going to be the best for software and their chip.  It also just went into beta.  I think this is the reason why we aren't seeing the great performance that Steve expected us all to.

During the keynote, Steve did state that the tests were using "Intel's latest compiler" and "IBM's latest compiler on the G5."

Since Intel's compiler only went into beta on the day of the keynote, there is no way that developers could implement it really well into their stuff.


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#131 2006-01-19 9:11 am

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Re: Intel iMac Benchmarks - Slow With Encoding

Yeah, that certainly makes sense.  Also most professional apps (particularly 3rd party apps) are C++ since it's faster and more portable (albeit a bit more complex) which might indicate that the best is yet to come.  However, Apple has probably figured out a way to get the compiler to work with Cocoa, and they've probably been getting nightly releases up till the day of the keynote, so the beta is probably not that much better than what Apple had been using.


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#132 2006-01-19 10:33 am

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Re: Intel iMac Benchmarks - Slow With Encoding

mo' ron wrote:

24FPS is too low for me. It's actually one thing that kind of bugs me when I watch a movie at the theatres. I don't notice it as much at home on a smaller TV.

That's because NTSC standard implies a totaly different speed, ie: 29.97 FPS. Video and broadcasting has little or nothing to do with the tech used in film. There is no such thing as a T.V. show running at a lower FPS than 29.97...it just can't be done. Unless you're in a PAL format....which is used in some other contries...and we won't get into Secam...since that basically died with the fall of the USSR. ;)So the person (below) saying that Lost and other shows are at a lower frame rate is basically confusing things. It may be due to the fact that you have a digital signal and for some reason your decoder is hanging on something...not with the broadcast.

Plus, in betacam sp standard (commonly used in broadcast) you actually have double the 29.97 FPS since there are two fields per frame...it's like having 59.94 FPS.

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#133 2006-01-19 11:14 am

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Re: Intel iMac Benchmarks - Slow With Encoding

Mr. T wrote:

Yeah, that certainly makes sense.  Also most professional apps (particularly 3rd party apps) are C++ since it's faster and more portable (albeit a bit more complex) which might indicate that the best is yet to come.  However, Apple has probably figured out a way to get the compiler to work with Cocoa, and they've probably been getting nightly releases up till the day of the keynote, so the beta is probably not that much better than what Apple had been using.

With real world performance tests from Macworld showing a 1-2x MAX performance gain, I'm not so sure about Apple getting it to work with Cocoa.

iMovie is sometimes even SLOWER than the G5 with certain iMovie tasks.


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#134 2006-01-19 11:23 am

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Re: Intel iMac Benchmarks - Slow With Encoding

Wolf355 wrote:

There is no such thing as a T.V. show running at a lower FPS than 29.97...it just can't be done.

They can fake it though, maybe broadcast a pulled-down version of the video.


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#135 2006-01-19 3:30 pm

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Re: Intel iMac Benchmarks - Slow With Encoding

yeah, while the TV is displaying 29.97 real frames, some frames may be duplicated to provide a film-like 24 fps feel to it.

If I make a slideshow at 5 fps, even if I render it at 29.97 it's still obviously going to look like 5 fps because of the duplicated frames.

I always do this with edited DV tape because it gives a more film-like feel to it, even when watching on a TV. It gets rid of the whole amateur home video look when you render at 24 fps.


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#136 2006-01-19 5:13 pm

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Re: Intel iMac Benchmarks - Slow With Encoding

DJ LUCiTE wrote:

....It gets rid of the whole amateur home video look when you render at 24 fps.

That is almost always a problem of incorrect lighting and/or sub-standard equipment. It is entirely possible to shoot awesome looking footage at 29.97fps.

If you want 24fps, then shoot 24fps,  edit 24fps and finalize at 24fps.

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#137 2006-01-19 5:46 pm

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Re: Intel iMac Benchmarks - Slow With Encoding

Usually, DV at 29.97 FPS will look just dandy. The ''annoying'' part of DV is the lack of depth compared to film. That is one thing that if not dealt with will give a very amateurish looking video. Add to that AV kills comment and you've covered several bases. wink


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#138 2006-01-19 6:35 pm

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Re: Intel iMac Benchmarks - Slow With Encoding

Wolf355 wrote:

Usually, DV at 29.97 FPS will look just dandy. The ''annoying'' part of DV is the lack of depth compared to film. That is one thing that if not dealt with will give a very amateurish looking video. Add to that AV kills comment and you've covered several bases. wink

Well most of the lack of depth is caused by not having a Pro-level camera so you can do cool things like depth of field and rack focuses. wink

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#139 2006-01-19 10:15 pm

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Re: Intel iMac Benchmarks - Slow With Encoding

avkills wrote:

Wolf355 wrote:

Usually, DV at 29.97 FPS will look just dandy. The ''annoying'' part of DV is the lack of depth compared to film. That is one thing that if not dealt with will give a very amateurish looking video. Add to that AV kills comment and you've covered several bases. wink

Well most of the lack of depth is caused by not having a Pro-level camera so you can do cool things like depth of field and rack focuses. wink

-mark

Actually, I was refering to the format. Even a Betacam digital has the same problem....and they're what now...euh about 100 000.00 for a well equiped one wink tongue

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#140 2006-01-23 4:17 pm

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Re: Intel iMac Benchmarks - Slow With Encoding

Ran Mandelbrot Variation Zoomed on my Mac Mini G4 1.25GHz w/ 1GB RAM.

It took 3:05.

Just for those interested in comparison.

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