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#26 2006-01-16 12:40 pm

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

Pariah wrote:

Text as images sucks and think of this:
Say I want to keep your info handy to call you latter, I can't copy and past your contact info into a document to save, or to use in an email.
I would have to take out a pen and paper and manually copy from the picture of your contact info.

Yep, and nothing on your page will show up in a search engine either.

This is just stupid.  As in AOL-stupid.


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#27 2006-01-16 1:02 pm

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

I can see the utility of turning non-standard fonts into images but an app like iWeb should warn you before doing so.
Perhaps offer a bifurcated fonts menu with standard core web fonts at the top and non-standard fonts below. Something to make the user aware that they wont end up with text.


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#28 2006-01-16 1:28 pm

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

Well, as I pointed out in another thread, iWeb seems to ignore accessibility.  Considering that VoiceOver is listed as one of the Features of OS X Tiger, I would think that they actually give a damn about making sure that their products would include some semblance of accessibility.  Kinda disappointing.


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#29 2006-01-16 1:45 pm

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

I certainly hope this is merely an option you can turn off, otherwise that would have to be one of the stupidest things I've seen in a program for a while.


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#30 2006-01-16 1:48 pm

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

DBR_Death wrote:

I think the sites created by iWeb look great... but I haven't had a single one load decently. They take forever.

Yeah I noticed that too.


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#31 2006-01-16 4:07 pm

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

This is actually rather dire...
There isn't a shred of indexable text on the entire page (disable images in your browser and you're left with an empty page), loads and loads of in-line and onpage CSS, no semantics (Apple: ever heard of <p>, <h1>, and <ul>?they're really nice tags).
In many ways this is far worse then what even MS Frontpage used to generate.


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#32 2006-01-16 4:38 pm

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

I was messing with it today my brother has .mac and we share the service.  I don't need the email and neither of us needs 512mb of space.  iWeb doesn't seem to use the setup homepage from the .mac account but creates a new web page.  I was hoping to find out how to use iWeb to create two separate websites for one .mac account.


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#33 2006-01-16 4:46 pm

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

Gatchaman wrote:

Pariah wrote:

Text as images sucks and think of this:
Say I want to keep your info handy to call you latter, I can't copy and past your contact info into a document to save, or to use in an email.
I would have to take out a pen and paper and manually copy from the picture of your contact info.

Yep, and nothing on your page will show up in a search engine either.

This is just stupid.  As in AOL-stupid.

I totally agree.  I would also be terribly slow for dial-up users.  For these reasons, I am only going to so my personal web pages on iWeb, and for my two professional sites, I am going to keep them in dreamweaver.


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#34 2006-01-16 9:24 pm

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

if it converts text into images then how do RSS subscriptions work for iWeb created sites?

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#35 2006-01-17 3:15 am

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

Gatchaman wrote:

TheConfuzed1 wrote:

If you try to add html code in a text box, does it render the code, or does it display the code as if you had used the "code" tags?

Since it converts all the text into graphics, it probably can't do either.  Sometimes I think this company is run by retards.

That settles it then... No iWeb for me.  Damn.  I really wanted it too.  sad


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#36 2006-01-17 6:53 am

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

I had a look on the Apple support forums, and after trawling through a fair number of pages, the only mentions focused around the fonts used - the feeling was that some fonts cause an image to be generated because they might not display properly on non-OS X computers.

Someone else said that Arial was doing it as well, and while Arial is only an ugly, deformed substitute for Helvetica, it's pretty standard out there in the world and substition fonts are easily handled in CSS anyway.

What fonts are being used here?

I'm planning to use iWeb to do some stuff (it should arrive in the next day or two) and the text/image thing is something of an issue for me. Not a deal-breaker, because my needs are purely personal, but I don't understand where the need for image-based text arises from.

After I've played around with it, I'll know better what the truth of the matter is.

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#37 2006-01-17 6:28 pm

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

Gary Patterson wrote:

Not a deal-breaker, because my needs are purely personal,

Unless you're the only person looking at your web page, your needs are not purely personal.


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#38 2006-01-17 6:50 pm

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

I was on my friends iWeb created site and the text was just that -- text -- and not an image. 

So no need to worry, everyone.

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#39 2006-01-17 7:34 pm

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

dojotony wrote:

I was on my friends iWeb created site and the text was just that -- text -- and not an image. 

So no need to worry, everyone.

Link?


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#40 2006-01-17 7:46 pm

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

Yeah, I want to know if iWeb is stupid under certain conditions so I can avoid them.


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#41 2006-01-17 9:01 pm

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

Gatchaman wrote:

dojotony wrote:

I was on my friends iWeb created site and the text was just that -- text -- and not an image. 

So no need to worry, everyone.

Link?

Yeah, some elaboration at least, would be appreciated.  smile


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#42 2006-01-18 2:26 am

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

There's a lot of iWebsites here:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jsp … p;tstart=0

Some of them have text as text, and some have text converted to a graphic image. As Gary Patterson alluded to, it may be certain fonts that do this. I think it's a bug or 'feature' that should definitely be removed for the next revision.

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#43 2006-01-18 7:52 am

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

Czachorski wrote:

Gatchaman wrote:

Pariah wrote:

Text as images sucks and think of this:
Say I want to keep your info handy to call you latter, I can't copy and past your contact info into a document to save, or to use in an email.
I would have to take out a pen and paper and manually copy from the picture of your contact info.

Yep, and nothing on your page will show up in a search engine either.

This is just stupid.  As in AOL-stupid.

I totally agree.  I would also be terribly slow for dial-up users.  For these reasons, I am only going to so my personal web pages on iWeb, and for my two professional sites, I am going to keep them in dreamweaver.

And you cant print from it, and blind people wont be able to read it, and almost blind people cant increase font size and so on...

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#44 2006-01-18 11:03 am

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

I think people are missing the point of iWeb. Yes, the code is bloated and messy (but compliant) and doesn't allow the webpages to be easily searchable, printable, etc.

I think most people who use iWeb won't care about these things. Their target audience will be typically very small (ie.,  mostly family and friends) and they probably won't be submitting their iWebsites to search engines, etc. If one finds these limitations too much, they should look to something like RapidWeaver instead, where you can add meta tags, alt tags, blog comments, etc.

Besides, this is version 1.0. The first versions of RapidWeaver and Apple's Pages sucked as well, but they're slowly getting better. Hopefully in time, Apple will make iWeb more flexible and customizable.

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#45 2006-01-18 11:09 am

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

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#46 2006-01-18 11:36 am

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

allan wrote:

Pages sucked....

Pages absolutely rocks for me.
I rarely need a word processor but when I do Word is waaaaay more than I need and text edit is a little clunky.
Pages is the perfect middle ground for me and I think alot of other people.
Same holds true for iWeb iBelieve.


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#47 2006-01-18 7:38 pm

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

allan wrote:

I think people are missing the point of iWeb. Yes, the code is bloated and messy (but compliant) and doesn't allow the webpages to be easily searchable, printable, etc.

I think most people who use iWeb won't care about these things. Their target audience will be typically very small (ie.,  mostly family and friends) and they probably won't be submitting their iWebsites to search engines, etc. If one finds these limitations too much, they should look to something like RapidWeaver instead, where you can add meta tags, alt tags, blog comments, etc.

All very true, but they're also likely the kind of people who won't consider that grandma on 28.8k dialup (all 56k can muster on old wiring a lot of the time) can't bring up page after page of graphics boxes on her Quadra (or Pentium 150).

I hope they continue improving this the way they have with iMovie.


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#48 2006-01-18 8:04 pm

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

Gatchaman wrote:

All very true, but they're also likely the kind of people who won't consider that grandma on 28.8k dialup (all 56k can muster on old wiring a lot of the time) can't bring up page after page of graphics boxes on her Quadra (or Pentium 150).

Well then it's high time grandma gets off her fanny and snags herself one of them new Intel Core Dual iMacs and an 8 Mbps broadband connection. wink

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#49 2006-01-18 10:14 pm

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

Gatchaman wrote:

All very true, but they're also likely the kind of people who won't consider that grandma on 28.8k dialup (all 56k can muster on old wiring a lot of the time) can't bring up page after page of graphics boxes on her Quadra (or Pentium 150).

Haven't you heard?  Dial-up is dead...no one uses it anymore.  Check the USB modem on Macbook thread for details roll


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#50 2006-01-19 9:50 am

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Re: I Love iWeb - Samples

Damn I was hoping iWeb was cooler than that.

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